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The Star Trek universe is not communist, although it is often misunderstood as such. Here are some arguments against it:

Private property exists: Characters in Star Trek own personal items like clothes, PADDs (Personal Access Display Devices), and other belongings. This contradicts the communist ideal of common ownership of the means of production.

Currency exists: Although the Federation claims to be a post-scarcity society, there is evidence of some form of currency, such as "credits" or "gold-pressed latinum," which are used for trade with other civilizations.

Social hierarchies exist: In Star Trek, there are clear social hierarchies, such as ranks in Starfleet, different positions in government, and various social classes. This contradicts the communist idea of a classless society.

Individual freedom is valued: Characters in Star Trek have the freedom to make their own choices, pursue their own careers, and hold their own beliefs. This contrasts with the communist idea of collectivism, where the individual is subordinate to the good of the community.

Replicators do not create abundance: Although replicators can produce many goods, they cannot replicate everything, such as latinum or complex technologies. This means that there is still scarcity, and resources are not unlimited.

Competition and rivalry exist: In Star Trek, there is evidence of competition and rivalry, for example in scientific discoveries, sporting events, or political debates. This contradicts the communist idea of cooperation and shared progress.

The Federation is a democratic republic: The Federation is depicted as a democratic republic, where citizens elect their representatives and participate in political decision-making. This is fundamentally different from communist systems, which are often one-party states with limited political freedom.

Although Star Trek presents an idealized vision of the future where many social problems have been solved, it is important to emphasize that it is not a communist society. There are many elements in Star Trek that contradict the basic principles of communism.

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 90 points 2 months ago

Private property exists: Characters in Star Trek own personal items

Opinion immediately disregarded

[-] g_g@hexbear.net 63 points 2 months ago

i stopped reading at clothes being a means of production

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 40 points 2 months ago

Every single one of their points is like this. It almost reads like a shitpost made by a commie to make fun of people who don't know what communism is about.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 months ago

Why else would Marx spend so much time talking about coats?

[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 months ago

You mean you don't rent out your clothes to people?

[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago
[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 months ago

~~Gimme~~ Rent me your toothbrush lib

[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

IMO we need a rebranding of the term "private property" to something a bit clearer.

When you say "private property" to the layman, they tend to think it means the same thing as personal property.

I'm personally a fan of using the term "means of production" instead of private property.

Or in other words, "hippity hoppity, surrender your private property."

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[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

literally fell at the first hurdle

[-] RedWizard@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

This is where I stopped reading.

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[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 75 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Characters in Star Trek have the freedom to make their own choices, pursue their own careers, and hold their own beliefs. This contrasts with the communist idea of collectivism, where the individual is subordinate to the good of the community.

Meanwhile, capitalism: "Oh, you decided to go into the arts? Have fun starving. Should've gotten a tech degree."

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 63 points 2 months ago

"Oh you got a tech degree? You absolute dunce and oaf, should've gone into a trade."

[-] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"Oh you learned a trade? You're literally an idiot as clinically defined in the early 1900s. You should learn to code."

[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

theory-gary

“All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.”

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

It's such a bad misunderstanding of communism lmao

[-] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 2 months ago

Hey ChatGPT give me a list of reasons why Star Trek is actually Capitalist

[-] Des@hexbear.net 43 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

it definitely has that cadence

[-] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 55 points 2 months ago

Lab grown bait. Each point is inconsistent in its perspective of communism. One says they're are officers so its not a classless society, another says its not a one-party system so its not communism.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The first point is “communism is when community toothbrush”, this is weapons grade bait because it’s infuriating even if you recognize it

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[-] TC_209@hexbear.net 51 points 2 months ago

Captain Fredrick Marx of the U.S.S. John Brown: [looks directly at camera] The Federation does not use money. We no longer strive to collect material things. The necessities of life, including education and access to information, are freely and universally available. We have eliminated poverty, hunger and curable diseases. Hierarchies, such as the chain-of-command on starships, are rare and only used when necessary; civilian life is highly meritocratic. Federation society is not perfect, but it is an improvement on what came before.

[-] SpanishSpaceAgency@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

Isn't that an almost verbatim quote? I swear either Picard or Sisko said something along those lines either to a time traveler from the past or while they were timetraveling to the past themselves.

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago

Picard expresses this sentiment to a business guy who was frozen for hundreds of years in the season one episode The Neutral Zone. Business guy is worried about his company and his investments, and becomes depressed when he learns that he can go anywhere in the universe and do anything he wants, but nobody cares about his money anymore.

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

~~Isn't that the Voyager episode "the 37's?"~~

Nah, I'm the one that's wrong here The Neutral Zone is correct.

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[-] TC_209@hexbear.net 16 points 2 months ago

Picard talking to 20th Century Capitalism Man in "The Neutral Zone"; Picard talking to Lily in the movie "First Contact"; Troi talking to Mark Twain in "Time's Arrow"; Kirk in 1980s San Francisco saying "They're still using money," in "The Voyage Home" -- plus a whole lot more. So yeah, you're absolutely correct.

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[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

tng The Neutral Zone is where a lot of that comes from, although you may be thinking of Lily asking Picard how much the ship costs in the movie

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[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 40 points 2 months ago

Passing around the galactic toothbrush because Space Stalin said humans have to share

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago

this has to be a bit.. you couldn't possibly be this absolutely wrong about everything so perfectly

[-] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago

Imagine being so bothered by something not real that you feel the need to write a tiny novel about it.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

Assuming they didn’t ask an AI bot to shit it out for them

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 16 points 2 months ago

It does read like GPT output lmao. "Create a list of reasons why Star Trek isn't Communist" was most likely the prompt.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

the USSR wasn't communism because they had sports competitions

[-] GladimirLenin@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

Actually Stalin literally made sure that every competition finish in a dead heat so there wasn't any hierarchy. This is true don't look this up.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 months ago

This is also why the first person to stop clapping went to gulag. It wasn't because Stalin was egomanical, it was because he believed everyone deserved exactly the same amount of applause as everyone else.

[-] btbt@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sitting around in my utopian spaceship being mad as hell all the time because 24th century Dengists are keeping the government from coming and stealing all my clothes

[-] Crowtee_Robot@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago

You CAN make a case that Star Trek isn't as communist as it could/should be, but this ain't it.

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[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 24 points 2 months ago

This is beside the point but I hate the way that this is written like it's an 8th-grade essay. That concluding paragraph especially is exactly the kind of shit that they drill into you in middle school.

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

Communism is when we line up for the toothbrush at the allocated time and place.

[-] TheVelvetGentleman@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

Toothbrush? Bourgeois decadence. Ash and water is all a good comrade needs to clean teeth with.

[-] Taster_Of_Treats@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

Communist armies and aid corps famously had no chain of command.

[-] Barx@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

Star Trek has toothbrushes QED

[-] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

Media literacy is dead

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

Communism is when "Hey! You kids stop racing your bikes down the street to see who's fastest! One more time and you get the gulag!"

[-] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 15 points 2 months ago

You can't have managers in communism.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago

Badposting comm is leaking

[-] regul@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago

Under communism, to play soccer, 22 people will cooperate to get a ball into a net.

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

Under Star Trek to play baseball you need a holodeck, a crew you can orde to play baseball and a college rivalry. To play Ambo Jitsu you have to beat up your dad.

That's funny because when I say I want that stuff everyone calls me a Marxist. Who the heck is this Marx guy and why does he keep stealing all my good ideas? soviet-hmm

(Parenti's joke not mine)

[-] HotAtForty@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Communism is when instead of playing football we take turns kicking the ball into the net

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 months ago

This seems like obvious satire based on the first three. I stopped reading once they hit 3/3 and gave the reason while "missing the point" or whatever. Honestly could've ended after they used private and personal property interchangeably- it's either blatant satire or the most libbed up lib ever who purposely reads Marxist literature to then act "educated" while typing the dumbest shit possible. Gonna go with satire to protect my brain.

[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

This was made by a text generator no way it was written by a human omfg.

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