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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by fossilesque@mander.xyz to c/science_memes@mander.xyz
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[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 115 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was going to research this myself, but then I got high.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I was gonna write my final report, but then I got high..

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And now I'm shitposting on Lemmy and I know why, yeah-heah...

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 49 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Because I got high, because I got high, because I got high

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
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[–] mech@feddit.org 91 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The seeds are carried by birds and can survive in a dormant state for years.
Lots of stuff like trees washed away by rivers end up floating in the ocean.
But it's also perfectly feasible that a limited trade happened far in the past.
Polynesians showed that you can reliably cross even the pacific on boats made using stone tools and fire.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Humans before the Ice Age were fishing for tuna in the deep sea and were coastal hopping everywhere there are coasts to hop.

[–] baldingpudenda@lemmy.world 70 points 1 month ago

Most of human history:

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Limited trade... There were full on global trade networks through most of human history. Ironically, not as much across the Atlantic, because civilization in the Americas was centered on the West coast

But you find all sorts of stuff turning up everywhere. Not much of it, and most of it is lost to history, but enough to establish that global trade networks were the norm and not the exception

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 3 points 1 month ago

My favourite trade fact is that when the Norse settled Newfoundland, it was theoretically possible to send an item from Patagonia to Melbourne via American and European trade routes, the silk road onto the treppang fishers and then into Australian aboriginal trade routes. But I'm just realising it could probably have gone the other way via Easter Island as well

[–] becausechemistry@lemy.lol 62 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Graduate students famously never make mistakes (like including their own hair in samples) and also never smoke weed. So that couldn’t be it.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They especially don't smoke weed. No sir!

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

And especially not mushrooms, no way.

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[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

I walk past this plant all the time and I'm super tempted. I did salvia so I feel like the effects shouldn't freak me out. Rn I just kill them with gloves. We get also get Ricinus, that's not as tempting.

To give an honest answer, it's so fucking invasive I wouldn't be surprised if actually managed to survive a trip across the Atlantic or the pacific.

The question is how? I don't think we'll know until we find the "vessel" that carried it.

[–] BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't, every trip report is horrifying, there are better ways to get high, that are also safer.

On top of being a bad experience datura doses are very hard to get right, you are very likely to overdose and die. And like I said, If you don't die, you will get a traumatic experience that can possibly fuck your mental health for decades.

Alternative drugs exist if you want to get high. Please check trip reports and harm reduction sources before trying anything.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago

Like salvia but worse. And every salvia story is awful.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

isn't that like the nightmare drug, that you can rather easily die from?

[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Yeh, I just want to make a weak tea and slowly try it out. The seed pods sound horrible, but I'm probably going to make tea from the flowers.

[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I've eaten the seeds, they're nasty unless dried out. Read the dangers beforehand. It'll mess with your vision the next day, supposedly there is a chance of going blind. The hallucinations I experienced were pretty convincing, you might want to have a friend keep an eye on you. My buddy overdid things and got picked up by the cops, they put him in the psych ward

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[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Don't. Just fucking don't.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I also did salvia but I wouldn't touch datura with a 10 ft pole.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh god, I wouldn't touch salvia divinorum either unless you want an intense, mind-melting trip that lasts 5 minutes and a sweaty itch all over your body that lasts for 8. That's not a recreational trip, that's for people who want to feel uncomfortable as a new life experience.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Yup. I don't regret doing it, and the short duration was one of the things that pushed me over the edge. I wasn't looking to exit reality for hours at a time. It was an... interesting and instructive experience, but I didn't feel the need to repeat it again. DEFINITELY have a sober sitter with you, I was apparently trying to throw myself off the stairs.

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I tried stramonium a couple times by smoking some seeds, I would describe it as unpleasant enough to not bother again, in the just not worth it category.

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[–] tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Hi, drug nerd here. Especially psychedelic plants and fungi.

Don't.

And not just because I tried it in my twenties and had a really horrible time. But also because I've learned a lot in the last two decades about the plant, and that potency can vary significantly.

A dose someone took in a trip report where they had mild effects could cause temporary or permanent blindness for you. Because the plant that you are consuming may be a lot more potent than theirs was.

But yes, the trip is horrible. If you want to know what it's like it's a form of delirium. So if you've ever been up for long periods of time and your mind has started playing tricks on you, it's like that. On top of this you also experience urinary retention, which means I spent the night getting up to use the bathroom while delirious and being unable to pee.

And remember I mentioned temporary blindness, I had what you could call the opposite of tunnel vision. I wasn't able to focus and could really only see using my peripheral vision. This effect lasted well into the next day.

And while I was actually high, I was mostly experiencing audio hallucinations and I just wanted it to be over so I tried to sleep through it. About the only interesting anecdote I have is that I got up in the middle of the night to turn off a CD that was on repeat, only to find that I had unplugged the stereo hours before.

No insight aside from don't drink datura.

For a similar and safer visionary effect, try staying up for 2 days. It's basically the same feeling but without all of the side effects. There's also the old formulation of Dramamine, I don't remember what it's called but very similar deliriant but in a measured dose.

And none of those I would really consider fun or especially insightful. Considering most of us are familiar with sleep deprivation anyway.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 month ago (4 children)

The swallow may fly south with the sun, or the house-martin or the plumber may seek warmer climes in winter; yet these are not strangers to our land.

[–] weirdbeardgame@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT COCONUTS MIGRATE?

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Depends on if it's being carried by an African or European swallow.

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[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t there be other possible plants that would provide the same alkaloid compounds?

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

That was what I thought until I reached this part with a link to another paper.

Charred capsules of Datura stramonium were recovered in a Middle Bronze Age ritual pit at Prats, Andorra, ca. 1600 BCE

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[–] thejoker954@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] forrgott@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But birds aren't real, haven't you heard?

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 14 points 1 month ago

A well a everybody's heard about the bird B-b-b bird, bird, bird, b-bird's the word

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 1 month ago

Have to be migratory, of course.

[–] negativenull@piefed.world 8 points 1 month ago

It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios!

[–] DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn Central American Swallows!

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[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Some things get around because they're so pretty, don't worry about it

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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 14 points 1 month ago

Uh, that's... Shit! I was going to sleep soon too!

[–] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

I live in the middle of nowhere in Eastern North America. Saw some growing all by itself in the middle of the lane. It never came back in that spot and I've never seen any other plants. The seed pods are really spiky and light, they must hitch a ride on stuff.

I decided not to try it after reading a few "trip reports".

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

So, you're telling me that this plant...
puts sunglasses
Went on a high trip.

[–] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

not the first time OP is raising questions like this 🤔

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