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[-] plinky@hexbear.net 111 points 7 months ago

So whatcha saying is: we stick 100 billionaires in gobi desert and let them bid for water

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 75 points 7 months ago

Parallel universe where mr-beast is good

[-] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 76 points 7 months ago

mr-beast "I brought one hundred ~~of my friends~~ billionaires to the gobi desert, and you'll never guess what happened next!"

[-] axont@hexbear.net 96 points 7 months ago

Liberal economics responding to Marxism is always some hypothetical like "Ok imagine you're thirsty in the desert, but you only have two cows and your neighbor opens a flower shop."

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 43 points 7 months ago

"Enough with your real world evidence. Let's try a hypothetical I made up whole-cloth" isn't really the intellectual zinger they think it is.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

Jorjor Wellington took this to its zenith, proving communism doesn’t work by inventing a story where it doesn’t

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago

Hypotheticals, thought experiments and their ilk are the greatest disease plaguing the human mind

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[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

"How am I raising cows in the desert?"

"What? That's not important."

"Couldn't I just ask the flower shop owner for water? You kinda need an excess of water to run a flower shop... Also how are they running a flower shop in the des..."

"SHUT UP!"

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[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 90 points 7 months ago

This reminds me of the unironic ancap comic about three guys being stuck on an island. The communist guy screeches because he’s unable to do anything. The two capitalist guys trade a coconut with each other back and forth until they make enough money to…. Build a boat? And leave sail off the island.

[-] replaceable@hexbear.net 79 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Are you talking about this one? If so im pretty sure its satire

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 52 points 7 months ago

Islandic banks did that and that's why their economy went to hell after the 2008 recession.

[-] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 38 points 7 months ago

no the communist builds a boat or shelter or w/e, the capitalists accumulate BJs by trading coconuts, the communist uses the protein from all the loads to build an entire civilization, the capitalists take credit for it, then the communist eats the puny capitalist and invents space travel.

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[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

Reminds me of that joke where two economists go walking in the woods, they see dog shit, one tells the other he will pay him $100 to eat the dog shit, which he does. Then they see more dog shit, the other tells the first one he will pay him $100 to eat the dog shit, which he does. Then one says "wait, we both just ate dog shit, I gave you $100, you gave me $100. We just ate dog shit for nothing?" Then the other says "we did something though. We increased the GDP of our country by $200."

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[-] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 83 points 7 months ago

Pack it up, socialism is when no water.

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 75 points 7 months ago

Socialism, famous for not ever doing anything to meet the needs of the people because it's too cheapso-true

[-] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 53 points 7 months ago

thats exactly what liberal ideology has people think though

[-] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 73 points 7 months ago

Are a lot of my fellow Americans physically incapable of seeing the poverty that's literally right in front of their eyes?

[-] idkmybffjoeysteel@hexbear.net 62 points 7 months ago

Aha! But that poverty is only the result of moral failing!

[-] hexthismess@hexbear.net 39 points 7 months ago

You see I am good and I am not poor. They are poor so they must be bad.

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[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 71 points 7 months ago

Just as predicted AI generated slop is the clipart of our time. Something unironically only used by the dumbest people.

[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 36 points 7 months ago

For calling communists lazy they sure don’t want to put in much work

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[-] newmou@hexbear.net 64 points 7 months ago

Damn imagine just trying to understand what happens in the world with a mind like this

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 60 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If you have a piece of paper with a dead President on it, people will just bring you stuff.

This is why capitalism is good.

But also, look out for inflation! That's a bad thing that happens when too much money exists!

[-] axont@hexbear.net 44 points 7 months ago

I hate when I get stuck crawling through the desert with nothing but my wallet and a $100 bill

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 57 points 7 months ago

I'm sorry girl from the ring but you'll have to stay in the desert because socialism is no water.

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[-] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 55 points 7 months ago

Source: https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/1awj4iq/this_is_why_socialism_is_poverty/?sort=top&limit=500

The top comment:

Those dollars that an individual possesses is a sign that they have already given back to society more than what they have asked for in return. That is what those dollars that they have are. They are IOUs given to them by society telling them that they have given more that what society has asked of them in return. So those IOUS are society telling them that if they want more stuff just hand those dollars ( IOUs ) over and we will give you more things

The billions that individual producers like Musk, Bezos, as so forth , have are billions more that they provided to society that they did not ask for in return

So when you look at this logically, when you see an accumulation of dollars by those who acquire them through VOLUNTARY EXCHANGE( Taxation does not count as that is done by force ( ask Wesley Snipes ) then what that shows is that the individual has given more value to society then what that individual asked for in return

This is why profit/private sector is moral and is efficient in addressing the needs of the people and taxation/government sector is immoral and fails to address the needs of the people

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 69 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I hate the whole "voluntary exchange" thing. Like really, taxes are the only example of a non voluntary exchange? I can think of at least one more 🤔

spoilerLike maybe you're dying of thirst in the desert.

It works okay for non essentials, but with how many essentials people need, it breaks down so quickly. Rent, transportation, food, healthcare, utilities, you just have no choice on.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 62 points 7 months ago
[-] charlie@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

First time seeing that, loved the last panel

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 52 points 7 months ago

if you charged too much for water while I was dying in the desert, I would simply save my dollars in an interest bearing account and die from dehydration. in enough time, the trust of my dessicated husk would be able to buy your water factory and send private security forces to decapitate you.

[-] Melonius@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago

Once you've accumulated enough IOUs you can redeem them for a capitalists head at the ticket exchange.

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

This is the only ethical consumption under capitalism

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 50 points 7 months ago

Core to libertarianism is the idea that consent is a sort of ritual, rather than a real concept with any depth. A contract formally stating agreement is all that's required to authorize anything in their minds, regardless of the terms or whether it was coerced through unequal power or under the threat of violence or death. And once that formal ritual of agreement is made, they believe it's irrevocable as well.

It's at once cynically predatory and completely idealistic to an absolutely childish degree. There's a reason libertarianism and fascism are right beside each other, differentiated only by whether the libertine treat lad has been scratched yet or not.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

The constitution? It’s bound to our lives with cosmic forces beyond our understanding.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

And once that formal ritual of agreement is made, they believe it's irrevocable as well.

Which is hilarious because the businesses they fetishize engage in strategic defaults on debts all the time.

There's a reason libertarianism and fascism are right beside each other, differentiated only by whether the libertine treat lad has been scratched yet or not.

It’s the same end goal, a society where democracy has been subjugated out of existence and the state has been subsumed to the private sector. The former just thinks it can be done without politics while the latter isn’t afraid to get its hands dirty.

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[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago

A guy came to my front door and said "I have the paper that says I own this house! Give me money!"

And I said, "Are you the government?"

And he said, "No."

So I said, "That's fine, here is the money."

But then another guy came by and said the same thing, and I was, like "Where does the paper that says you own the thing even come from?"

And, ladies and gentlemen, you are not even going to believe the answer.

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[-] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 29 points 7 months ago

Lol not surprised this is the level of thought on a Ancap sub.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 22 points 7 months ago

My brain is doing somersaults trying to fathom how these people think they've outwitted Marx

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 50 points 7 months ago

Is this one of ours? I can't tell what this even means.

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 50 points 7 months ago

lol, they skipped the prequel panel where the reason the person is dying of thirst is that the capitalist forcibly extracted and horded all the water so they can sell a freely accessible public good for $100 a bottle (looking at you Nestle)

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 41 points 7 months ago

I wonder why these anecdotes are always about hypotheticals and never about socialist projects that actually currently exist. Must be nothing.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago

nah, they've been vaccinated against that. if you tell them that real actual china has built a million times more bottled water factories than capitalist usa, they'll say that china is finished, it's built a ton of unprofitable water infrastructure and haha they're so stupid. see, communism doesnt work.

see their cope about the trains.

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 35 points 7 months ago

Important distinction, the person in the first picture does not have $100 so the third panel will not give them any water.

Although admitting that capitalism is based on gouging people for the necessities of life is more honest than usual for them.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 31 points 7 months ago
[-] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 25 points 7 months ago

are these AI generated? they look like they'd be atrocious if we had the originals

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 20 points 7 months ago

This honestly hurts my brain

I think I'd have a stroke if I keep looking at it

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 19 points 7 months ago

bottling water costs pennies so there's no charge comrade

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[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 18 points 7 months ago

Marx (or Ricardo or Smith) never considered Use-Values and Exchange-Values. Pack it home, folks.

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