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[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 4 hours ago

How much more on the nose can you get than a western imperialist general named West More Land tbh

Bold of him to assume Americans can read.

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

More Americans have bet money on The Washington Generals to win the NBA (somehow) than have read Alexis de Tocqueville.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 9 points 10 hours ago

How about Alex de Tokerville he'll yeah ralsei-doobie

[–] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 39 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure "Americans haven't forgotten how..." is just a polite way of telling us we really really should know this.

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 6 points 6 hours ago

When you try to help the Americans maintain a little dignity and they just go guffawing and a-hicking and thigh slapping all over the place.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 30 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Meanwhile the US president seems to be under the impression that Hannibal Lecter was a real person who died

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 9 points 10 hours ago

Then from whence the Hannibal Directive?

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 15 points 12 hours ago

he was a Great Man

[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I spent like the first 20 years of my life thinking Sherlock Holmes and Robin Hood were real dudes

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 8 points 10 hours ago

I thought Robin Hood was too, until today. The Wikipedia article about historicity of a figure or figures called Robin Hood is pretty interesting.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 23 points 13 hours ago

The seed germ of the modern right wing media in the Anglosphere is their reaction to losing the PR war in Vietnam

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 40 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

lol, the only things most Americans remember about Vietnam are a mishmash of Rambo, Apocalypse Now, and The Deer Hunter; helicopters with cool background music; and the fake propaganda POWs

[–] WafflesTasteGood@hexbear.net 24 points 13 hours ago

I know people that legitimate believe America won the Vietnam war.

All of them will also explain how you can't ever trust the government because all politicians are liars and crooks, while just taking every speck of state propaganda as absolute truth.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 19 points 14 hours ago

What I remember about Westmoreland in Vietnam was him saying a bunch of demonically racist stuff about how the don't respect life like The West does

[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 16 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Alexis de Tocqueville sounds like - which I am sure most Americans have noticed - a typical Hufflepuff.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 11 hours ago

If there was a French Canadian in a Harry Potter book this is what Joanne would have named em

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 42 points 16 hours ago
[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 36 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I don't think most Americans have even heard of de Tocqueville at this point

Which season of The Bachelorette was he on

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 26 points 15 hours ago

I'm going to be honest this is the first time I've ever heard of him

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 28 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

They probably have you read a heavily edited quote from Democracy in America and go "This will be on the Scantron, question 5, fill in B"

[–] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 11 points 14 hours ago

That was my experience. Every time we covered the American Revolution or 18th century America in middle school or high school history he was just name-checked and maybe get a one or two sentence quote from Democracy in America.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 16 points 14 hours ago

Of course, the "tyranny of the majority" is written into the laws of the universe, so there's no need to engage with writing on it that tries to present arguments that could thereby be refuted.

[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 14 hours ago

can confirm, i'm american and i haven't read him, i haven't even read locke, i'm a phony, a pseudointellectual

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 19 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Alex is de Tocqueville? What?

Most people haven't read Tolkien, we definitely didn't read Tocqueville.

[–] Oskolki@hexbear.net 9 points 13 hours ago

I wouldn't be surprised if there are people who know this, but they probably either don't dare to speak, benefit from not speaking out or are purged.