Zuzak

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[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 8 points 14 hours ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the people who came up with it also knew it would be bad news, but also that it would be good for them individually.

Like the way those securities worked, nobody was gonna be caught out individually. The only way they go wrong is if the market takes a bad turn and then you'd have a horrible domino effect that takes it from bad to worse, but at that point your golden parachute activates and everyone gets bailouts. Kind of brilliant, in a fucked up way.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

They're just pointing out the underlying logic behind the argument, and how applying that logic to other situations produces absurd conclusions. At no point did he claim the two were equivalent. In fact the whole point of the comparison is that the settler-colonialism is indisputably bad.

Let me make a similar argument to demonstrate. When I was in school, sometimes certain teachers employed or threatened collective punishment, if one person did something wrong, and no one confessed, then the whole class would be punished. Collective punishment is pretty awful and unjustifiable as a concept, like, the exact same logic behind it has been used to justify a lot of terrible war crimes, it was even used during the Holocaust, and it is explicitly prohibited by the Geneva Convention.

Now obviously, whatever punishment my class had to deal with in school is in no way comparable to the Holocaust. I don't think it would be fair of you to get angry at me for "comparing" the two, because my point wasn't that the scope of harm was the same, only that if we can clearly recognize that collective punishment is a horrible war crime when the stakes are high, then we're left wondering why, in this other situation with lower stakes, would it suddenly become valid?

Likewise, we can see in the high-stakes context of settler-colonialism that if someone says, "Yes, it was bad to kick the Palestinians out of their homes, but now that it's done I might as well move in" that logic is obviously not valid. Why then, does the logic suddenly become valid when it's applied to the lower-stakes situation of someone saying, "Yes, it was bad to kill this animal, but since it's already dead, I might as well eat it?"

What part of that reasoning do you take issue with? What part of that "makes vegans look ridiculous" or makes you want to say something rude?

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 4 points 16 hours ago

She turning on my point til I, uhhh help me out here

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 45 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Not likely lol live-kissinger-reaction

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 17 points 17 hours ago

Logic generally isn't enough to convince people to become vegan because it's contending with other mental forces much more powerful than logic. The force of habit. The unwillingness to accept you've been doing things wrong. The fear of potential conflicts, judgement, or awkwardness, of potentially becoming part of an outgroup. Just one of those is difficult to overcome, but with all of them all at once, it can become insurmountable for a lot of people.

This is what I realized like the week after going vegan - that every reason and justification that had previously held me back was just an incredibly flimsy excuse. Like, when I made the decision it felt tough with some reasonable points both ways, veganism being just a bit more compelling, enough to try it out - but once I took the plunge and the arguments no longer had those psychological forces behind them, it become abundantly clear how idiotic they were, and how foolish I had been to let them hold me back.

Meat eaters employ bad arguments because there are no good arguments, and their minds desperately want to find some argument that can hold enough water to push it aside and thing about something else as quickly as possible, to eliminate the threat the question poses to the psyche.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 20 points 19 hours ago

Communism is incapable of directing all the brightest minds towards making ads 3% more manipulative which is why its doomed to failure.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 16 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Speaker likes capitalism = China is communist

Speaker likes communism = China is capitalist

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

WHO SAID IT?

  1. I wish some things were different from how they are.

  2. Hi.

  3. The sky is blue.

  4. I love [spoiler].

  5. I'm getting kinda hungry.

Can't tell, can you? This proves every person/group is the same as every other person/group.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 6 points 4 days ago

Moral rules are not things to be blindly followed, but rather are useful guidelines to avoid screwing things up. They are "the manual," they are "standard operating procedure," they are there for a reason and you can deviate from them, sure, but you'd better have a damn good reason, or you can expect it to blow up in your face.

Virtually everyone seems to have this all twisted up. On the one hand, you have people who always try to follow SOP, even if there's good reason to deviate from it. On the other hand, you have people who see that there are situations where SOP doesn't apply, so they just ignore it altogether. Both of these approaches are foolish and lead to making mistakes.

The trolley problem is a thought experiment specifically designed to be an exception to the otherwise reasonable SOP of "Don't kill innocents." But you don't make a rule from the exception. You don't go around treating, "The ends justify the means," or "It doesn't matter how many people I have to sacrifice in persuit of the greater good," as your new SOP, just because you saw a thought experiment where the old SOP doesn't apply.

The whole reason moral guidelines are necessary is because the mind if fallible and prone to making mistakes. Our emotions, or our desire to fit a particular identity, may get in the way of good decision making. For example, the use of torture post-9/11 was driven by hatred, a desire for revenge and domination, and a desire to embody the image of the Jack Bauer antihero, willing to do whatever it takes to keep people safe. I've read reports of NSA torturers walking out of torture sessions while visibly erect. It was driven by, well, evil. This "ends justifies the means" mental framework makes it all to easy for hate or other emotions to hijack reason. Of course, in reality, this torture never produced any useful information, and in at least one case caused a previously cooperative informant to clam up.

Likewise, if a problem can be pushed out of sight and out of mind, it can easily be ignored or rationalized away. This is the case with liberals and the Palestinian genocide. When something is far away, when it affects people who I don't know, then psychologically it becomes much easier to write off anything that happens - even moreso if you are operating on the framework of, "Any cost to achieve my aims." But these situations are where moral guidelines are more important than ever. It is fundamentally unacceptable to act on willful ignorance of the suffering caused by one's actions, to say, "This makes me feel guilty so I just won't look at it or think about it." This is another way in which one's mind can compromise their reason and better judgement.

That's also what's at play, at least imo, when people continue to eat meat despite knowing about the cruelty involved in that industry. When we see someone beat a dog, we are horrified, we are outraged, we are moved to act to stop it - because our empathy extends to the pain the dog feels. But cows and pigs can feel pain just as a dog can, which means that rationally, we should be equally horrified at the conditions those animals are kept in. But those practices are always kept out of sight and out of mind, and the mind has powerful forces, like the force of habit, that are capable of compromising reason and good judgement.

When people try to convince me of things (especially things like torture or genocide) based on them being "the lesser evil," to say it goes against SOP is an understatement. It's like asking me to dance a waltz on the raised forks of a forklift. Now, maybe some set of circumstances exists in which standing on the raised forks of a forklift makes sense, like maybe it's the only way to escape a fire. But I'm never going to accept that this is just a normal or generally acceptable way of doing things.

The rules are there for a reason and you shouldn't deviate from them without a very good reason and the majority of the time that people think they have a good reason they are wrong.

[–] Zuzak@hexbear.net 3 points 4 days ago

The more his face shrank in, the more pressure built up until the veins in his neck burst out.

 

In the wake of the tragic assignation of a loyal advocate for the Imperium, Carolus Kirk, the High Lords of Terra have added their voices to those condemning all forms of political violence as a vile form of heresy which must be immediately purged through cleansing fire.

Although the Inquisition has yet to release details on the assassin's motivations, it is likely that he was under the influence of heresy, manipulated by either by xenos or the forces of Chaos. Heretical rumors that the shooter believed that Carolus himself was being manipulated by such forces are completely false. Carolus, who is survived by his wife and children, never once wavered in his loyal advocacy for the values of the Imperium, which he believed in to his core: hatred and intolerance to xenos and heretics of all kinds.

In brighter news, a dozen xenos worlds have been put to the torch leaving no survivors, as the Adeptus Astartes continue their heroic mission to eradicate all those who would stand against the Imperium and the absolute dominance of humanity.

Glory to the Emperor, and death to all those who celebrate political violence!

 
 

Many abolitionists have complained to me that, as a traveling performer, I have not spoken to my audiences on the issue of slavery. I have received many angry letters attacking me based on assumptions about what my silence means.

Allow me to make my position clear: I oppose the institution of slavery. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, I believe it is a "moral depravity." I feel that way about other things as well.

After the raid on Harper's Ferry, the mood among Southern leaders was an existential panic and unstoppable lust for revenge. It reminded me of the Alamo. There was no reasoning with those leaders, nor could action be taken by congress. It would have required replacing most of congress and overturning decades of bipartisan negotiation and compromises. Even in the best case, it would have taken years.

But even worse, the abolitionist, pro-Negro movement quickly decided that their primary goal was not merely opposition to the reprisals or specifically cruel owners, but opposition to the entire institution of slavery, that is, opposition to the entire way of life of Southern plantation owners. And here they decided to draw the line between decent people and oppressive tyrants, which had the following consequences:

It shrunk the coalition. Most southerners support slavery. Anyone who supports the solution of having slave states and free states supports slavery.

It was politically infeasible. What is the pathway that takes us from the present situation to the abolition of slavery as an institution? I do not see how it could happen without a total collapse of the union. As usual, these Jacobins have championed a doomed cause.

The abolitionists have been distributing hundreds of pamphlets about the horrid conditions of slaves. The main effect of this has been to create a population of people in a constant state of bloodboiling rage with no consequential political outlet.

I fear this may be worse than useless. Yes, there are disingenuous proponents of slavery dismissing and censoring all criticism of slavery on the pretext of "states' rights." But there's also valid fear of historical government overreach and that fear gives power to pro-slavery leaders who say that only they can protect Southern culture.

Does this mean slavery should not be criticized? Absolutely not. But it's something I do not wish to contribute to unless if not outweighed by tangible benefits.

Many abolitionists have been single-mindedly focused on slavery, and the willingness of the Republicans to compromise on the issue, and that focus has had the following effects:

Not a single slave was freed by their efforts. Not one fewer lash was delivered by the owners.

It may have slightly contributed to the election of James Buchanan, ensuring that nothing can be done to stop the expansion of slavery into new states. Buchanan also does not support giving women like me the right to vote. A perfectly enlightened being would feel no bitterness about this, but I do.

None of this is the fault of slaves, of course, who are overwhelmingly the victims here.

But if women like me are ever going to get anywhere in this country, we need a broad movement that stands up for the rights of ALL women, REGARDLESS of their views on slavery.

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(Every blank is a different nation or nationality)

In 1972, three (1) _______ radicals smuggled (2) _______-made assault rifles in violin cases into an airport in (3) _______, where the security ignored them because they were on the lookout for (4) _______ threats. The radicals opened fire and 28 people were killed in the ensuing firefight, including two attackers.

The sole surviving radical plead guilty, saying, "It was my duty as a soldier of the revolution." He was given a life sentence, but was released in a prisoner exchange after 13 years. Upon release, he became the only person to ever claim political asylum in (5) ______, which does not have an extradition treaty with his home country (where he's still wanted). He is still alive, at 77, and resides there to this day, reportedly watching cartoons like Tom and Jerry.

In 2008, (6) _______ (ethnicity) families of victims of the attack sued the government of (7) _______ for allegedly supporting the attacks and (8) _______ ordered that country to pay $378 million to the families.


Points awarded for either getting correct guesses or coming up with something that feels more like a game of Mad Libs than the correct answers do. I'll be especially impressed if anyone guesses (1) correctly.

spoiler

spoiler no peeking

  1. Japanese

  2. Czech

  3. Israel

  4. Palestinian

  5. Lebanon

  6. Puerto Rican

  7. DPRK

  8. United States

The Japanese Red Army was wild

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C5%8Dz%C5%8D_Okamoto

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2094256/%7B%7B

 

“They can’t get stuck in a hurricane if they self-deport,” Bill Helmich, executive director of the Republican Party of Florida, said on X in response to concern that the facility is in an area of the state that is regularly affected by hurricanes.

barbara-pit

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Cui bono? (hexbear.net)
 
 

I heard it has something to do with different interpretations of the DotP (Dictatorship of the Papacy) but idk if that's true.

I'm not the most well-read on theory, but I don't understand why the left is always purity testing and fighting over little differences like this.

You never see this sort of thing on the right, even when they seem to have wildly different ideologies. Look at the level of coordination between right-wing countries like China (anarcho-capitalist), DPRK (neoliberal), and Cuba (white nationalist). If the left could figure out how to get along that well, I feel like we could've already achieved MAGAcommunism by now.

 

Never knew who the institute was named after

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Probably the least interesting and least talked about Soviet leader (not counting the ones who were only there for <2 years), I don't really know much about him myself but I was feeling randomly curious so I skimmed NATOpedia to get a rough impression.

It seems like the Brezhnev-era would be the best time to be alive in the USSR, though that has to do more with external circumstances - he didn't have to deal with a lack of industrialization or invasions either during the revolution or WWII. However, economic growth was slow, despite the government investing in basic necessities and in agricultural production. In terms of technology, during this time, the USSR made the poor decision to use IBM's designs rather than investing in domestic computer development, which may have set them back and contributed to brain drain.

In terms of foreign policy, Brezhnev deviated from Khrushchev's focus on missiles by focusing more on strengthening conventional military forces, increasing spending eightfold to 12% of GNP by the time of his death. He continued the policy of detente, and (perhaps because of the military investment) negotiated and signed the SALT treaties, reducing the past nuclear brinkmanship. At the same time, he resumed support for the Vietnamese communists who Khrushchev had abandoned due to their refusal to negotiate a partition. However, he also made the disastrous decision to invade Afghanistan. He also sent troops into Czechoslovakia to suppress what I assume was a color revolution.

Did his uninspiring leadership and failure to address economic stagnation contribute to Gorbachev's dismantling of the USSR? Or perhaps that was already set in motion from Kruschev, (or caused afterward by Gorby), and the take is that he did a decent job steering the country through a relatively peaceful era, prioritizing human needs like housing over consumer goods?

For that matter, I'm kind of puzzled as to why his policies weren't more effective, I would expect providing things like housing would stimulate the economy by providing more consumer consumption (though perhaps the problem was supply not keeping up with demand?), and the USSR still had to rely on food imports despite pretty substantial investments in agriculture. For a critical take on him, I'm not sure what he should've done differently.

However, I don't really have a dog in the fight - if there is a fight. Do people have strong opinions about Brezhnev? I'm mostly just curious to hear people's perspectives.

 

He's so shitty I don't even know where to start, but so many people on there are convinced he's some kind of heroic anti-corruption reformer and taking on the CIA and shit.

I'm starting to sour on the platform over it, I was enjoying talking politics on there but now my feed is flooded with Musk worship 🤮

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