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submitted 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) by gedaliyah@lemmy.world to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
 

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[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 2 points 3 minutes ago

You believe in a thing called love?

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 4 points 2 hours ago

I like using ghosts and gravity as reference lines

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You can always rely on gravity, and NOTHING ELSE!

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago

2035 bingo card: by drilling forever deeper for oil, we messed up the earth's core and somehow that turned off gravity (yes, I know there's no scientific basis for it happening, it comes as a surprise).

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 34 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Human goodness should plummet as well

[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 1 points 38 seconds ago

Depends. A lot of people build bubbles and spend the rest of their lives reinforcing their walls. They will deeply interact only with very few hand-picked people, and their mutual trust keeps getting stronger. Also, you might be surprised that a lot of people never even read or watch the news.
From this POV, your faith in what you think represents humanity might as well increase over time.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I've started spotting more examples of goodness too, not just evil. I rather think society is polarising, with some people becoming more visibly selfish (out of desperation, I think: the more you worry about your future, the less charity you're willing to extend) and others making a point of being nicer to counteract the negativity.

Part of that will be the influence of media. Outrage apparently sells better than kindness, and particularly where corporate influences are a factor, despair and division are useful to make the populace more pliable. If people are shit anyways, why bother trying to fix anything?

Lemmy is no saint either: It's easy to jump to conclusions and throw accusations over what might just be genuine error or civil disagreement rather than fundamental hostility.

So instead, let's also make a point of being nicer and more charitable to each other, and to others elsewhere. Good people aren't gone, they're just cowed and overshadowed. Let's fix that, you and me and everyone else who wants a nicer world. The indifference wins if we stop, so let's keep going!

I hope you have a nice day, a pleasen start into your year, and I hope you can find that faith in humanity again.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 26 minutes ago

The world is getting dumber and meaner, so good morality stands out more.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 15 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Someone want suggested that the rise in belief in human goodness is a function of the rise in belief of human incompetence. When you start recognizing that people frequently do stupid bad things not because they are bad, but because they are stupid, your heart softens a bit with regards to their intent.

Anti-abortion is a great example. The majority of anti-abortion people genuinely believe that a zygote is an innocent human life, and terminating it is literally murder. If that's what they believe, why wouldn't they do everything in their power to stop it? People are murdering innocent babies!

The more you get to know people, the more you start believing in Hanlon's razor. Most of the "bad" people aren't bad, they're just good people with stupid beliefs.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 20 minutes ago

people frequently do stupid bad things not because they are bad, but because they are stupid,

I get that, right up until you start talking about MAGA. Those people didn't grow up being ignorant of MAGA's evils, and then were seduced by them. MAGA gave voice to the evil that was already brewing in them, so they enthusiastically joined in.

Some people may do bad things out of ignorance, but MAGAs do bad things because it's fun for them. They may be ignorant, too, but that's no excuse, they don't get a pass because of it. Some people are just bad people, who have lost the benefit of the doubt.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 3 points 2 hours ago

I started feeling a bit this way when I saw that many Trump voters were genuinely confused and angry that Trump didn't release Epstein files lol

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

I love your optimism, but its rather misplaced.

The majority of anti-abortion people genuinely believe that a zygote is an innocent human life, and terminating it is literally murder. If that's what they believe, why wouldn't they do everything in their power to stop it?

But they're NOT doing that.

They're not promoting sex education, which drastically reduces teenage pregnancy and thus abortions. They're not working to increase financial and social security for mothers to ensure having a child isn't a massive risk. They're not doing to reduce sexual assault of women leading to unwanted pregnancy.

They're not doing everything in their power, not even remotely close. They're literally just doing one single thing, and that's the thing that hurts women the most, in the most ways and empowers terrible men the most.

So, given that they're actually not trying very hard, and doing things that benefit themselves, one has to wonder if that's truly a surprising of highly specific incompetence, or intentional.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 19 minutes ago

There we go, next level Critical.Thinking. Nicely done.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

One has to wonder if that's truly a highly specific incompetence, or intentional.

I'll apply Hanlons razor again: These people are stupid, therefore doing "everything in their power" involves using woefully ineffective means to achieve their goal. I have no problem believing that most anti-abortionists genuinely believe that they're trying to save innocent lives. However, being relatively dumb people means they are primarily driven by feelings rather than logic, and are easily manipulated. This results in them using the means that they "feel" should be effective, rather than proven methods. It also means that the few people that actively are looking to oppress others can manipulate their feelings to make them support means that hurt the people they're trying to help.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Complementary the believe should rise that some adults know what they do. It's not bad luck or human nature. Some people really know how to manipulate the masses.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 62 points 11 hours ago (7 children)

Anyone whose "ghosts" isn't at zero, as an adult, is someone I'm not going to be trusting on any subject.

Ditto "aliens", if we interpret it as "extraterrestrials that have been to Earth".

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 12 minutes ago* (last edited 10 minutes ago)

I think there may be room to interpret that line as not necessarily a belief in ghosts, but that whatever the base belief, it hasn't changed much. They may not have believed much on the concept of ghosts, but keeping the door open to the idea, but as time went on, it faded a bit. They never really believed, but they did think about it a lot.

That could describe me. I don't really believe in ghosts, but I also know that we don't know much at all about the universe, so who really knows? However, throughout my life, I've thought about ghosts a lot, mostly because of books and movies, but it's been a common subject of thought throughout my life. I probably believe less I'm them now, just like the chart. So while I don't really believe in them, I've thought about them a lot, and that would put them in a similar place on my chart.

In fact my entire chart would look very much like this one.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

I don't believe in ghosts or the supernatural, but I've visited sites where America massacred Native Americans and enslaved Africans. What I felt and experienced there can only be described as haunting. Brains do weird things in stressful situations. I get why some people give too much legitimacy to their hallucinations. They can be chilling, compelling, convincing, formative, and even beneficial.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Ditto "aliens", if we interpret it as "extraterrestrials that have been to Earth".

This is an important distinction.

100% chance there is extraterrestrial life out there somewhere

0% chance any of it has come to visit

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 7 hours ago

0% chance any of it has come to visit

0% chance any intelligent aliens have come to visit. There is a non-0% chance that there have been some microbes on an asteroid. There are some variations on the panspermia theory that suggest that life didn't even originate in this star system. There's no evidence for any of it of course but it's possible.

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

My opinions on the subject are entirely opposite of yours, but I think we might agree that the two lines should actually meet and become "are aliens ghosts?"

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 35 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

My friends cousins are all convinced they saw ghosts when they were kids. They also had an uncle who frequently played tricks on them. These two things are unrelated apparently

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

hey, i have a ghost that lives in my microwave.

first a few things you should know. my entire town was built on an american indian burial ground. like, starting in the 70s they'd have the tribe come out for every new development and help relocate artifacts to [redacted fuck you i ain't telling] and our house is legit burial ground. not cursed burial ground or anything. anyways we have this ghost that turns on our microwave from time to time, seemingly randomly. I named him Smudgy, because we have one of those touchscreen control thingies and i noticed he's active whenever someone with greasy fingers has been using the microwave. and he's really easy to shut up with a soapy washcloth.

i "believe" in ghosts. it's harmless fun.

[–] xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago

my entire town was built on an american indian burial ground

I see why would you believe in ghosts

he's active whenever someone with greasy fingers has been using the microwave. and he's really easy to shut up with a soapy washcloth.

huh

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

Real adulthood is knowing there's no logical way to unconditionally prove those particular negatives. What you do with that information is another discussion.

Edit: Also if anybody is interested in reading up in an absolutely fascinating phenomenon, this was a topic that came up during my hospice / palliative care rotations. This article in particular is a systematic review from last year.

One of the most fascinating things about this phenomenon is that it's markedly different from the hallucinations seen with psychosis and delirium (which I'm more familiar with, my specialty being psychiatry). In particular the person experiencing it presents with orientation and cognition that is completely logical, linear, and otherwise intact.

A patient with psychosis often presents with poor understanding of their situation overall, such as not knowing where they are, not remembering recent events, or sometimes not even recognizing themselves. Their speech also usually presents with either thought blocking / poverty of thought, or the opposite—tangentiality / flight of ideas where their statements don't logically follow each other.

Meanwhile patients reporting death visions are typically able to accurately recall where they are, what has been happening, what is likely to happen next, and retain the ability to have linear and reality based discussions. They just also report seeing deceased family or pets, religious figures, etc.

Fascinating topic.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

Thats a super interesting phenomenon that has absolutely nothing to do at all with ghosts existing or not.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

End-of-life visions are Santa cosplaying as people's dead relatives, as he's known to only be visible to those he wishes to be visible to

And, of course, as a real adult you know there is no logical way to unconditionally disprove this particular statement about Santa

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Fuck that’s stupid, how the hell could you believe in that kind of incoherent nonsense?

It’s not Santa, you fucking dolt, he doesn’t exist, it’s Mothman. For fuck’s sake.

Edit: Who the hell is taking this seriously enough to downvote?

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago

Now this answer I will take. Me and my husband have matching booty shorts that say "goblin" and "mothman" on the respective derrieres.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 127 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (5 children)

Your belief of human goodness went up? Have you been living under a peaceful rock?

[–] rucksack@feddit.org 5 points 3 hours ago

I assume the opposite, OP is actually meeting people in real life and touching grass, instead of doomscrolling and talking to clankers online.

[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

Also, where is this rock, and what's the rent like?

[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 10 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Most people are really pleasant. That creates a power vacuum where the worst are usually in seats of power.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Gotta go back to working retail to fix this mindset.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 hours ago

Honestly, most people are zero problems. It's just the those 98% of normal people don't really register compared to that one absolute fucking asshole..

[–] wax@feddit.nu 12 points 9 hours ago

*Most people are really pleasant, unless inconvenienced in some way

[–] Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world 33 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It's also a little inconsistent with at least one other belief on the graph.

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

I want to believe 🛸

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 33 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I don't believe in love more than gravity. Gravity has always been there for me to bring me back down to Earth.

[–] dingus@lemmy.world 11 points 10 hours ago

Wow your love went up so dramatically. Mine is the opposite in a way.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 27 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

Gravity is globist propaganda, wake up!

/j because Poe's law

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I've seen some flat Earth videos where they legit "explain" how gravity is fully explained by the flat earth constantly accelerating upwards.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

That would explain all the giant rocket engines (i live on the bottom of the earth)

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[–] Auntievenim@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

I really like the idea of telling people that I believe in ghosts more than myself

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