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[–] oftenawake@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Please support the Open Insulin Foundation who are creating an open source model for insulin production! Such an important project!

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago (26 children)

Capitalism is economic terrorism.

[–] Woht24@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It's almost like someone should go and shoot the CEO dead in the street

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[–] Wild_Mastic@lemmy.world 208 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Meanwhile, 10 euros per vial here in Europe. At least his original plan for widespread and easy availability has partially succeeded.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 137 points 5 days ago

In civilized countries at least.

[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In brazil 36 reais (about 6 euro). The US is a joke. (And im 99% sure you can also get it for free if you use the public health network)

[–] mika_mika@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago

I have mental health disabilities in the USA and my meds are at zero cost because I literally have had absolute zero income for the past 5 years.

You wouldn't believe how much those mood stabilizer/antidepressant cocktails stack up proportionally when I was able to scrape by on $15 an hour.

The system set me up to fail with how shitty it is, if healthcare wasn't crap I could be contributing to society without crippling myself.

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 127 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I’m not diabetic and the situation with insulin fills me with a white hot rage.

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[–] BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 141 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Canadians: invented drug and patent it freely

Americans: Finds way to kill the most people possible while making the most amount of money

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 63 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, the killing isn't the point; they're the product. Its just that profit is God, so killing in its name is justified.

Killing poors for the joy of it? That's just an evil bonus.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 102 points 5 days ago (4 children)

If you talk about killing the few people like these that are the root cause of all these problems, you're a terrorist. You go to jail

These people actually kill people by the thousands, millions, and we call them smart CEO's and celebrate them 🥂

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 59 points 5 days ago

Free Luigi.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 71 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Remember Remember the 4th of December

[–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 40 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Making an AI meme of Luigi as a Saint is one thing.

Making a painting and having it casually displayed in your room is a whole other level.

Also, I can't believe it's already been a year.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 48 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Yea I guess but my mom was destroyed by our cruel and heartless system. She’s gone now but painting this helped me reconnect with the glimmer of hope we all felt for a moment after this happened. It also helped process the trauma I myself went through as her caregiver not being able to access what she needed

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[–] canofcam@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

How is it even possible to afford $800 for insulin? It boggles the mind

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[–] AsoFiafia@lemmy.zip 47 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The drug I have to take to live costs anywhere from $4,000-$5,500/month without insurance. This is actually cheaper than what I was on before—a cocktail of 4 drugs, some taken multiple times a day, that was almost $10,000/month. I’m lucky(?) that there are a ton of programs that together cover the cost for me. Unfortunately there are hoops I have to jump through every month to continue qualifying for the assistance and have to regularly take time off from work to make the appointments. I’ve lost jobs due to this, but am currently working a position where my manager is happy enough with my work to fudge time cards to help me out.

I hate this country.

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[–] Wynnstan@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For Australian diabetes patients the insulin Fiasp is $31.60 on the PBS, but Americans pay $930, while the medication Jardiance is $619 to $698 in the US compared to again $31.60 for the 220,000 Australians who access it. (I'm on Jardiance)

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Welcome to USA, I guess.

In other countries, you could probably completely fill a fridge with insulin for $800.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 21 points 4 days ago

If you need a lot of different prescribed drugs then £114.50/year to cover every prescription you have is an option here. Otherwise £9.90 each.

[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago (6 children)

I genuinely think that in some third world countries, as part of the middle class, you can have a better life than in the USA.

[–] MoonMelon@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Something I've noticed is when untraveled people in the USA try to contextualize themselves with other countries they pick the worst examples they can think of. Favelas in Brazil or slums in South Africa for example. We do this to the point where our entire conception of countries (or in the case of Africa, continents) is the worst imagery we can think of. I think they genuinely don't believe that, for all their troubles India, Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, etc also have smartphones and big buildings and libraries and universities and laboratories, and educated people living decent lives.

They also can't see how the overcrowded jails full of pretrial prisoners, the barefoot children carrying buckets for water in Appalachia, the rundown schools full of illiterate kids, the impunity of rich private interests, the corrupt sheriffs and judges, and on and on, puts us in the company of the "third world countries". Yes we have nice places too, but SO DO THEY. A broken society in the 21st century isn't people living in mud huts, it's children shitting in the street next to a glass skyscraper with LEED Platinum certification.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (22 children)

Logically, it's not about how much money you make, it's about purchasing power. It is irrelevant if you earn only $400 a month when you can eat well for $1 and pay $100 for your housing, you have free health care and education. That is the reality in some third world countries.

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[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

It is widely available, just not in the US

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 39 points 4 days ago (6 children)
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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 72 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (26 children)

I wonder if all the sane Americans did a mass exodus to Canada, Europe, UK, Australia etc, what effect that would have

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 100 points 5 days ago (1 children)

A lot of us would need financial sponsorship. So there'd be a literal financial drain on those economies.

I still would like to sign up.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 69 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Not if you stayed, then it’s an investment. Money doesn’t just disappear when goes to poor people, they use it to buy things like food and stuff. It would only be a financial drain if you were sending that money back home.

The North American mind cannot comprehend the benefits of supporting the poor.

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[–] macncheese@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago (12 children)

California is contracting its own insulin supply and it'll be available for $11 a pen starting Jan 1, 2026. I know not every state can or are willing to do this but just throwing out some examples and hopefully optimism to somehow fight the American decline from within it. We're in a unique position as our state economy is larger than most countries but I am hopeful we will throw our weight around to counter the bs. https://www.chhs.ca.gov/blog/2025/10/17/governor-newsom-announces-affordable-calrx-insulin-11-a-pen-will-soon-be-available-for-purchase/

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[–] Devial@discuss.online 28 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If he wanted it to be freely available, why did he even sell the patent ? Just disclaim at the patent office. Selling is just asking the new holder to start enforcing.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (5 children)

They sold the patent to the University of Toronto, so they didn't exactly sell it to a for-profit patent troll.

But also, that was in 1923, so the patent has long since expired.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They also don't make insulin the way that he did back then. Not justifying the price hike cause the way its made now is way cheaper than it was with the old method (which was basically grinding up animal parts to extract insulin). These fucks are just profiting off of the suffering of Americans who have literally no choice but to use their drug.

https://youtu.be/naqbi_qVoVY

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 42 points 5 days ago (17 children)

Naive question from a european: Aren't there companies on the market who can offer a cheaper price and therefore beat greedy competitors?

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 107 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

the problem is that there is natural (as in, unmodified) cheap generic insulin available, it's just that it sucks compared to everything else. you see, insulin is a peptide that is supposed to appear, do some signalling, then disappear and unmodified insulin copies this thing exactly. the problem is, most of the time when peptide is supposed to work as a pharmaceutical, you don't want to do that, you'd like insulin to last longer than usual, which means changes to it that make breakdown slower, or adding something that makes it stick to albumin, which has similar effect because it hides insulin somewhere enzymes can't reach it and also it makes it start acting slower. this means less frequent dosing and less changes in insulin activity over time. there are also other insulins that start acting faster than natural, and this is also due to a couple of modifications in its structure

for another example, ozempic was not the first drug in its class, it's also a modified peptide, and it can be injected s.c. once a week, compared to previous iteration (liraglutide) that requires daily injections. if natural peptide is injected i.m. instead, its halflife is half an hour, and in serum it's only two minutes (it gets released a bit slower than it is metabolized)

manufacturing costs are about the same for any variant, most of it is in purification. patents for a couple of these have expired anyway by now, but if manufacturing is limited then price can be set arbitrarily high (see daraprim)

[–] Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world 44 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Oh wow, an actual nuanced response and genuine answer!

Also today I learned!

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 days ago

Invented by a Canadian, exploited by an American.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 28 points 5 days ago (3 children)
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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 41 points 5 days ago (40 children)

Americans suffer from Stockholm syndrome

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[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

In Canada it is still considered expensive, but not even close to $800/month. It's only considered expensive because most shit like that is free or a very nominal fee, but repeated need is what it is.

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 39 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Soo why sell the patent for $1 and have it be potentially exploited when you could hold onto it and licence use for free?

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 62 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

IIRC the insulin being sold now is manufactured differently and the patents are completely different anyway

But overall your point is good

[–] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 37 points 5 days ago (4 children)

It is different, but it's still incredibly cheap to make, $4 a vial, so it costing in the hundreds is just antihuman...

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