The bold rhetorical technique of "lying"

right after the report showing India having worse inequality than during the colonial era.

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If you make $350/month in China you are in the bottom 23%.

If you make $350/month in India you are in the top 35%.

https://wid.world/income-comparator/

Another one, hunger index:

https://www.globalhungerindex.org/ranking.html

India is 111th, China is <20th (next to all the developed countries).

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India especially since 2014 has taken the neoliberal austerity kool-aid and cut almost all the welfare expenditure.

China, famous for not reducing poverty by huge amounts

India has accomplished something China never managed to do: unification under the emperor Wu of Jin after a decades long bloody tripartition of the country known as the Three Kingdoms era.

Source: my ass

So I read that bit of the blog. It’s certainly interesting (even if I don’t know how true it is).

The methodology: Modified Mixed Recall Period (MMRP) asks household consumer expenditure on perishables (for example, fruits, vegetables, eggs) for the last 7 days, durable goods for the last 365 days, and expenditure on all other items for the last 30 days.

This has shown an elimination of poverty at the PPP $1.9 line and a reduction in poverty from 53.6% to 20.8% at the PPP $3.2 line.

This is in contrast to the World Bank, which uses, the Consumer Pyramids Household Survey, a privately provided data source, to derive poverty numbers of 10% PPP at $1.90) and 45% at PPP $3.20). There are criticism of that data here.

The next part of the claim is that India achieved this while reducing inequality, which is something China, while achieving its poverty reduction targets, did not do.

The urban Gini (x100) declined from 36.7 to 31.9; the rural Gini declined from 28.7 to 27.0.

THE REASON THIS ENTIRE ANALYSIS IS AN INDICTMENT OF CAPITALISM.

One thing I’ve not mentioned so far, which even Noah had to concede at multiple points throughout. If all this is true, then how? What specifically did India do? (If you know India’s history, or a little bit about India’s policies, what follows will not shock you).

REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH AND RESOURCES.

Strong policy thrust on redistribution through a wide variety of publicly funded programs. These include a national mission for construction of toilets and attempts to ensure universal access to electricity, modern cooking fuel, and more recently, piped water

Free food (wheat and rice) supplied by the government to approximately two-thirds of the population, and utilization of public health and education…

Couple other things Noah doesn’t know but I should elaborate the government does for the people - On public health and education, the vast majority of the poor and working class literally have access of free health care and hospitals and education in India. The amount and quality is is not as good, but it’s improving. And obviously Modi is Hindutva, but we’re speaking of economics here.

Another point - Modi govt. literally straight up gives money to poor people for various purposes like building homes etc. It’s the most direct way of redistribution of wealth you can imagine.

This is contrasted with China, who “followed a more typical pattern: the economy was liberalized, the rich got much richer much faster, the poor were uplifted but more slowly than the rich, and inequality soared. We’ve gotten used to thinking that soaring inequality is the inevitable price of rapid economic development, but India is proving otherwise.”

Now, I trust I don’t need to y’all about the massive fucking irony of using India as an example of a success story in constraint to China here.

What is clear in the case of both of these countries, and so many more is that when governments take large, social actions in the public good, that go directly against the interests of the private corporations, the people benefit. And that the countries where the large companies rule DO NOT LIKE this fact, so they everything in their power to crush these people’s governments. In the case of India and China, India is far more in the pocket of the big corporations than China is. Like, this is not even a question. Yet, even there, the actions that have lifted people out of poverty, are the same as the ones that have lifted people elsewhere.

Lol they change the metrics to suit their fascist narratives before putting out these. Another eg: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/21/modis-india-plans-its-own-democracy-index-after-global-rankings-downgrade

Meanwhile, on my reading list, India is Broken: A People Betrayed, Independence to Today

This guy is a complete moron. There was never a bad take he didn’t like.

thanks, noahpinion

"Oh shit! This wasn't supposed to publish for 11 more days..."

Noah Dia what he’s talking about

Bruh knows literally nothing

@wombat@hexbear.net can u take care of this one

Gini indexes of China and India compared show very similar features...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/354686685/figure/fig2/AS:1069644047724544@1632034422625/Gini-Coefficient-of-China-Brazil-and-India.png link because it won't load the image correctly I think

EDIT2: Actually used the correct link

China has made up the bulk of gains against poverty for like the last 40 years that neoliberals like this chode point to to justify capitalism

India has accomplished something China never managed to do: introducing stateless communism and the kind of utopia that humanity could once only dream of

Hold on…I’m just getting a message in my earpiece…

Literally the only reason this dipshit can push the idea, based on correlation, not causation, that 21st century capitalism has been good on poverty is because the World Bank numbers are skewed so heavily by the USSR and specifically China.

This isn't even a bad take or being the victim of propaganda, this is just straight up reality denial.

Motherfucker, a report stating that India's wealth inequality is at an all time high and is still probably an underestimate came out four fucking days ago!

if anybody should be condemned to wear the heaviest cangue available, it's this lying piece of shit

I have no idea the episode but one of my favorite podcasting moments was during radio war nerd when Mark brought up something Noah said and immediately John started complaining about how stupid he is and then mark was like oh apparently he’s a big fan of ours and John just had to immediately pretend to feel bad lmao. Noah is an all time dumb guy.

The most obvious solution is that he simply made a mistake and switched China and India. Otherwise you would have to assume that he was barking mad.