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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 122 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

liberty-weeping "The people are starving!"

obama "Then let them eat stories"

Let them eat dreams (from my father)

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 93 points 3 days ago (4 children)

As infuriating as the conclusion is, I think the premise is actually worse somehow

making goals materialistic and instrumental

When the hell did they do that?! All I can remember was: contextphobic "Brat summer, genocide, and lie"

[–] huf@hexbear.net 42 points 3 days ago

even that was too much. obama is asking for buttigieg levels of not saying anything here.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I voted for Obama because I thought he was gonna use the power of the state to help striking workers at the Congress Hotel in Chicago and was gonna do other things to make it easier to organize unions.

He didn't do shit.

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was living in NYC in 2008, and I remember that when it was announced that they'd officially called the election for Obama, there was an audible cheer across the city. People were literally out dancing and partying in the streets. We really believed he was gonna do some shit other than just drone strike more poor people. Free healthcare, closing Guantanamo, and end to Iraq and Afghanistan wars--he pretty much promised the would and lots and lots of people believed him. It was pretty fucking wild in retrospect.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I remember riding my bike around Chicago that evening and people were celebrating all over the place. I don't wanna hear his voice ever again, so I'm definitely not gonna go back and listen to his campaign speeches to remember what he actually said, but he had a lot of us (myself included) thinking we finally had an ally at the top. Absolutely demoralizing.

[–] Chulk@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago

Yep. I remember Scott Walker destroyed collective bargaining rights in Wisconsin and Obama did not uphold this promise. It was a very illuminating moment for me as a teenager. I marched in Madison in solidarity with the unions because my parents were both teachers, and Obama (the first president I ever cast a vote for) didn't do jack shit.

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Eh Biden and Kamala did lean into the cost of living stuff, and there was the whole "If you vote for us we'll pay you $600" shit too. A far cry from what Obama is really referring to, which is his 2008-2012 campaigns that were the pinnacle of the immaterial, vibes-based neoliberalism that propelled him through 2 presidencies without much bother.

Though he'll forget to mention the difficulty in legislating with a contested senate/house given how quickly his vibes fell apart at midterm elections, and how the failures ever since have been from fighting the legacy of his nothing-burger politics.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

whywhywhywhywhy "Stop demanding the $2000 I owe you! That was aspirational!"

[–] fox@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

As if $2k would even make a dent in everything costing twice as much

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[–] aqwxcvbnji@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There was a brief moment in the beginning of the campaign where she promised to crack down on compagnies that are price gouging, but that idea abandoned later https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-price-gouging-ban-inflation-65dc8844bb41159d76886f752b6cab28

[–] miz@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

she did the same lightning flip-flop on healthcare. the only thing she's steadfast on is the need to murder children for the zionists

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[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 2 days ago

Every time that Obama complains about the current state of things, the only thing I can think of is:

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 75 points 3 days ago (1 children)

“Democrats made the mistake of making measurable promises they weren’t going to even try to deliver on. We need to make vague platitudes so no one can hold us to account.”

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He's not wrong though

Liberal love for him is largely predicated on the 'vibes' he brought for wont of a better term

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[–] segfault11@hexbear.net 61 points 3 days ago

let them eat vibes

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's not a bit account. What the fuck?

Obama is, unfortunately, indeed not a bit account, but 100% like that.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hate this fucking guy so much!

I just made a post about how he personally got involved to defang BLM by talking the NBA players out of a strike!

Fuck this fucking guy! Forever! I’m so sick of this assshole acting like he’s above this mess. Smug motherfucker acting like his hands aren’t red to the elbows.

[–] mactan@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

and personally called all the candidates to get them to drop out at once and combine their powers to support Biden in the Liberal Voltron event to fuck over Bernie

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Dude's presidential library is a brutalist obelisk overshadowing low income housing.

jeb It tells a story.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

Darth Vader's Mustafar castle ass library

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[–] microfiche@hexbear.net 54 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm not starved for moral and ethics asshole I'm starved for food that isn't moldy, full of metallic objects, full of poisons, and is something I can afford to feed a family of three on one persons paycheck.

idgaf about moral and ethics. I give a fuck about my material conditions.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sorry pal best I can do is restoring the soul of america.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

A shining city on a hill, where diesel is $11/gallon and the agrimonopoly passes the costs on to you, the food enjoyer!

food enjoyer

to be fair it's kinda hard to enjoy food that either gives you lethal diarrhea, heart attacks or zombie deer disease

[–] SchillMenaker@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nobody said the hill wouldn't be a landfill

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[–] JaggahogginMyDickandBallZ@hexbear.net 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Does he think we're stupid?

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 39 points 2 days ago

"healthcare pls" yes-honey-left

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm going to tell my boss this at my next review and see how it goes. Sorry boss I actually think you yearn for the story about how I fit into the team rather than my measurable KPIs!

[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago

Honestly, that’s how my annual reviews feel. The only time I’ve ever used an LLM was to generate my self review because it’s pointless.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago

Yea, the American people care a lot about morals and ethics. I'm sure. Just don't talk to any of them.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Its so hard to tell with this guy. He's so cynical. We can't assume he is speaking the language of leftists, because he isn't one. We also know he isn't talking to leftists, he is talking to mainstream liberals. So I feel like he might be saying something to them, the DC liberal elite, in a language they understand.

What is "instrumental" to a DC democrat? Its basically like winning elections via existing power power structures, so like pragmatism. The tendency to cynically play 5D chess with every situation. He might be saying, stop talking about politics as the levers and machinery of power.

Being "materialistic" is a little funkier, because if we think about what he means compared to the second half of his statement, about a "moral and ethical story" to us it seems like a contradiction, like he's telling mainstream liberals to be more idealistic. I don't quite think that's what he means. We know he's been having conversations with Mamdani and Abdul El-Sayed and seeing the power of their populist mesaage. But liberal democrats believe they are more materialist, and that the left is idealist. So in order to prevent the Dems from continually losing to Democratic Socialists and social democrats, I think he's saying they have to adopt the populist messaging.

We've seen this before, in 2020, Democratic presidential candidates shifted far to the left in their messaging, due to Sanders. Every candidate was advocating for Medicare for All, except for Biden. The Medicare for All messaging was instrumental (there's that word again) in the rug pull which defeated Sanders.

This is also the guy who won with "The Audacity to Hope" messaging, and then was the most cynical president since Nixon. So given the deep cynicism we know to expect from Obama, the upcoming elections, and the actual nature of the Democratic Party, I think Obama is saying that Democrats are probably leading too much with the political machinery messaging, the "lesser evilism" message isn't working anymore. Lots of liberal voters have been using this calculus to justify voting blue, but now there are viable (seeming) alternatives. People are willing to vote for an alt candidate, or even withhold their vote entirely. Cynical calculus is going to lose, is what Obama is saying.

So expect democrats to shift left on their messaging for virtually every issue. The party is structurally incapable of following through with deep structural change, but they can feed us a line of bullshit to kick the can down the road another 2 years. The democrats have been saying, "you may not like it but you're going to have to marry this pig" and Obama is saying to put some lipstick on it and dress it up real nice and call it a lovely person, so maybe people won't notice the pig until after the election.

He's using the words of Marxism, but his meaning is totally opposite. He cannot conceive actual materialism, so to him "materialist" is just another word for whining about winning an election. Since the only material conditions he understands are being elected or not.

[–] TUMBLE_BUS@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are these guys actually high off their own supply or are they just BSing cuz they know the empire is failing but they can blame it all on Trump.

[–] Pentacat@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago

All I can say definitively is the Democrats don’t want to win elections.

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago

What the customer needs is a story about how it's ethical for me to sit in my car smoking weed all day instead of working

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago

no i think we need money

[–] TheoryofChange@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago

A moral and ethical story, he says? How about we do something materially to stop the genocidal Zionist entity.

obama-sad not like that

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago

He's right. The dems have the most success when they just lie about promising sappy empty bullshit and they are at their worst when they refuse to ever back down from materially supporting genocide.

[–] DoofusAscendant@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago

Gentlepeople, may I present to you the greatest orator of his generation

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[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He's just circlejerking over how he ran on vibes in 2008 and 2012, even if the reality was that he was a lame duck with how people saw through it immediately and left him as one of the most unpopular modern presidents so far.

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[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago

It's frustrating to hear someone influential say something that is exactly wrong, not because they have to say it, but because they want to.

[–] Robert_Kennedy_Jr@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What the public wants is a good lore dump, something they can really sink their teeth into and get immersed in.

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[–] Kallestar@lemmy.ml 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That got an outward chuckle from me. Fuck that clown. Get with the fucking program or go back to your podcast cave my guy.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

“Don’t you get it? People WANT impotent hypocrites for politicians!”

I got an idea, how about let’s test that on republicans? Placate the hogs in compliments but then do woke stuff behind their backs! No, you won’t do that? Wonder why…

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