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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 89 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Tbf in the wild, the plant produces like a million seeds and a few of them develop into plants. In the garden, you plant like one seed and expect this one to grow

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 22 points 2 weeks ago

Survivorship bias that is

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 11 points 2 weeks ago

In the garden it might also be one seed that is also likely a highly selectively bred or hybridized to grow in certain conditions.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Also, wild phenotypes will germinate under a range of different conditions and times, rather than all at once.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

Plus we plant a very inbred seed compared to wild analogs

[–] rain_enjoyer@sopuli.xyz 67 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Was about to say exactly this. Wild seedlings are no less vulnerable than indoor seedlings. But you tend to succeed more often when you have 1000s of chances rather than one.

[–] Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

Which is why it's recommended you put 2 or 3 seeds per hole on many seeds packets

[–] cosmos8188@leminal.space 10 points 2 weeks ago

Yep, there is a reason a plant expels hundreds of seeds - only a couple survive in the wild.

[–] MrKoyun@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Damn! Look at all of those seeds on that plane! No wonder they grow just fine.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I can't imagine looking at this and thinking, yeah we don't need to reinforce the cockpit or the engines

[–] papalonian@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

The water you gave me had a slightly low pH balance (0.15 lower than my preferred) also did your AC just kick on? I'm allergic 🥹👉🏾👈🏾

[–] Underwaterbob@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not always survivorship bias. Lupins grow everywhere where I grew up, but many people couldn't get them growing in their gardens until it was discovered that putting the seeds in a bag of sand and shaking it a bit emulates the rocky soil they prefer scratching their seeds which makes them germinate.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 4 points 2 weeks ago

Some trees literally need their cones burned for the seeds to be viable. Nature is metal.

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I plant too many seeds. I'm hoping there's enough genetic diversity that there is a plant in there that wants to exist no matter how much I ignore it. That's the plant I want on my property. I want it to make the seeds for the next generation. I want the lowest maintenance plants possible. I will plant 25 tomato seeds and hope that one makes it through. If it doesn't then it wasn't the right tomatoes for me. But that one that does survive gets to go all the way to fruiting and then ferment in its own disgustingness until I pull those seeds out and save them for next year. Because those are the seeds that I can put in the ground and ignore until it's time to harvest.

[–] Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A couple months after I moved in I had a bad feeling about our septic tank. I called people out to check it. They pulled the cap and part of the freaking mortar retaining wall that was the septic tank moved in a way that brick and mortar should not. Fears confirmed.

$7,000 later I had a new septic tank and I had them dig a new leach field into the front yard so it wouldn't cause problems with the plants and livestock.

I'm all about survival the fittest but at the same time I didn't want human pathogens in my veggies in my yard bird eggs. Just say no to e coli.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I could have done just the tank for about half the cost. The old drain field was completely useless because it wasn't even close to code compliant. But with the field I helped ensure less frequent pumping. Which saves money in the very long term. So I got a new drain field.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 5 points 2 weeks ago

You might be interested in knowing that you hand write the serious backing behind you!

Do nothing agriculture: https://www.captainforest.com/the-do-nothing-permaculture-concept-by-masanobu-fukuoka/

Drought resistant seed selection: https://www.lepotagerdesante.com/ (in French)

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This sounds like it's right for abuse in selection bias. Needs more blinding so he doesn't know which color they are squeezing.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Tragic m&miscarriage of proper statistical analysis

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Bad study design. They need an advisor.

[–] J3N5T4R@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Eat the seeds wait A bit. Take A giant dump in an empty plant pot add water.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Additional advantage: Nobody ever will visit you again.

[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 weeks ago

This kinda thing is why I am planting a lot to work out what actually grows well here.

Broadbeans did, then they got a fungal infection and died off before growing many pods at all. Garlic grew and then decided to barely do anything and get mouldy. Radishes got filled with maggots.

Goosefoot grows everywhere regardless of if I want it or not so I am just going to call it perennial spinach and hope to encourage it to grow larger leaves.

Rhubarb seems to be something that grows well so I recently started that and plan to turn it into wine and jam as well just so I can make use of it all if I get quite a few of them growing.

Jerusalem artichokes seem to be doing well but not time to harvest yet.

I think perennials are the way, need more of them.

[–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I had a friend once who told me that he really thinks the difference between people who are "good with plants" and people who aren't is that the former just keeps trying, they don't give up when they lose one, they accept that happens sometimes.
It's a really beautiful thought but I would be totally lying if I said I wasn't getting kinda discouraged lol

[–] danekrae@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's the same with everything else. If your drawings looks shit, keep working on them until they don't. If you can't play a song on your instrument, keep practicing it. If you are having problem communicating with people, try new people and/or say something else.

[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

I know some people take this too far.. Their children keep coming out failures so they keep making more.

[–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 1 points 2 weeks ago

Oh no, but there are always gonna be phases where you hate your art no matter how good you get

Eep, I guess it really is like everything else!

[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Keep trying and find what survives. I am at a stage where I am starting to identify things not worth bothering with and have a few that do really well.

Expanding to vegetables this year, had less success than I would like but hopefully at least a few of them are good.

[–] EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app 2 points 2 weeks ago

Now that's impressive!

I just have issues with getting down about other things and then being distracted. Then all the sudden things I was growing are all over the place, or tomatoes plants are laying over, cucumber, squash w.e plants are now crossed all over any potential path I may have had and I'm just like fuck it. It'll grow like that and I'll just deal with it as is

[–] DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Probably some survivor bias going on here. How many wild seeds don't make it?

[–] CaptainMan251@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Very few hehe. Otherwise the earth would have a lot more plant life than it does.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 8 points 2 weeks ago

too accurate

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago

Similarly, it takes five hours to start a blaze in a fireplace with kindling and a lighter.

One flicked cigarette ash will start a forest fire...

[–] cryptix@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago

Survivorship bias

[–] Wren@lemmy.today 5 points 2 weeks ago

One of my friends told me to start germinating my seeds in the fridge, now I'm getting like 4 out of 5 germinations instead of 1 in 3. I just put them in a bag with a wet paper towel for a couple weeks and they start growing.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It literally just throw things in my garden, and other than an occasional watering that's all I do, everything grows huge. There must be something in the soil.

[–] VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ohio?

I visited a distant relative in Ohio once and his small backyard farm’s soil was the richest most luscious black soil I have ever seen. Like something out of a movie or a fairy tale. He told me the soil there was like that going down 30 feet.