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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No, I think he’s saying if you can’t afford to live here, you should die.

[–] ductTapedWindow@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

No, I think he's saying if you know I'm the enemy, I should die.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 104 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

For context, he was speaking about living in expensive metropolitan cities, suggesting people move into less expensive places within the US, like the interior states. Ben says enough stupid shit to mock without isolating a quote from context to make it seem like he said/meant something else entirely.

Hell, there's plenty to push back on with this quote and argument even understanding what he actually meant. "Just move somewhere cheaper". Like that's a much easier thing to say than do.

  1. If you're unable to afford living where you are, then you're probably going to struggle to afford the costs of moving. Then there's the logistics of finding work and housing wherever you move to from another state. If you don't have money to coast on for temporary housing, gas and food, you either need a company willing to hire you and provide you assistance to move or a personal connection in the area that'll let you crash on their couch.

  2. Your field of work may just not exist in Guthrie, Oklahoma, or wherever. Leaving metro areas may mean changing careers. And those careers may not pay anywhere near as much either. Your costs may go down, but your wages might go with it.

  3. Leaving your home city means leaving all of your support structures. Your parents, siblings, friends, peers, etc. Some people may really depend on those. Or maybe someone depends on you specifically. Maybe your mom isn't healthy? Maybe you have a sister dealing with addiction? Maybe they need your presence to ensure their care.

  4. There are political, legal, and health considerations in changing states. Do you have an active sex life and don't want to be afraid that you'll die from an unaborted ectopic pregnancy? Have a trans child? Are you not white? Then you may be more limited in suitable places to live outside of metropolitan city.

  5. This sidesteps the actual problem here, the why of it all. Why they can't afford to live in the city they grew up in. Why is pay so bad? Why is housing so expensive? Why are groceries so expensive? But no, no. We can't question or address those things. That's just business baby. Free market capitalism at work. Let it ride, unregulated. Just move your ass out of the way to Hastings, Nebraska or some shit.

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Your comment is exactly why they say this type of thing and why it always works for them: they spit out a curt catchphrase/gotcha/“just asking questions” and to even begin to address the absurdity of it you need a bulleted list of all the ways it’s wrong. By then, even the non-red pilled person has moved on and lost interest before reading a rebuttal, but they remember the original talking point. It’s worked far too well for far too long.

[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's an aggressive mix of the gish gallop and motte and bailey fallacies.

They won't even own their own viewpoints once you've gone through the effort of pulling apart the claim and addressing it. They'll tell you that you're reading too deep into it, misinterpreting it, all while putting out more nonsense for you to address.

There's nothing you can do with the average person not being invested enough in politics to inquire further, and the lack of controls on public speakers. Except stoop to their level I suppose.

[–] cybernihongo@reddthat.com 5 points 2 days ago

"Never Play Defense," right?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So I will concede that he doesn't give half a shit about 4, and thinks that people who have less rights in interior states shouldn't have those rights anywhere. Furthermore I think he wants to separate the victims of his beliefs from ordinary working class people. Easier to hate a caricature of someone when they aren't your neighbor.

But I'll add 2 more:

  1. The cost of living is going up in many previously cheap places now too. Some it's not, my first apartment is apparently cheaper now than when I lived there, but it's not a place many people are going to want to live. The nearest cities which are historically budget friendly cities on the other hand are no longer budget friendly. And no the places that are cheap aren't scenic bumfuck nowhere, it's small towns that aren't pretty and don't have much to do, even outdoors stuff.

  2. Cheaper places are increasingly non functional in basic governance and public services. Public transit? Yeah good fucking luck even in the cities people think should be fine. When you get to really small bumfuck nowhere you better hope you don't need medicine fast, Benny boy helped ensure that the hospitals in those places shut down by fighting against Medicare and Medicaid. The water? Contaminated. What are you getting for your taxes? A bad school, a censored library, asshole cops who are bored when you're coming home from the city, and not much else.

Alternatively high cost of living areas are starting to engage in urbanist policies which will reduce the cost of living. Sure you won't have a big yard in the city for cheap, but a reasonable sized apartment at a decent price or a reasonable priced house in the suburbs are possible.

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[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also business removing remote work so people who went to live in cheaper places move back or at least closer to the city.

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[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 146 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I think he’s suggesting you die

[–] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 50 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, because if you can’t afford to live, then you certainly can’t afford to move to another country.

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[–] Okokimup@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And decrease the surplus population.

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[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

How has Ben's head not caved in from his phenomenal lack of brain?

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

It's supported by the structural integrity of his incredibly thick skull

[–] MashedTech@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

It's just empty, it's not a vacuum.

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

The acoustics in his head must be phenomenal.

[–] Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A new life awaits you in the off world colonies!

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] FilthyHands@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Service Guarantees Citizenship*

*exclusions apply

[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 days ago

"If you're tired, if you're poor, if you're among the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, please get the fuck out of here."

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Why not, and im spitballing here, make America great?

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Because DWS rigged the 2016 primaries

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[–] LORDSMEGMA@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ben Shapiro has less self awareness than a sea cucumber

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

if he's lucky he might actually be able to get the sea cucumber wet

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Ben's yarmulke game is on point like usual. Tiny, and the exact shade as his hair so that the anti-Semites in his target demographic won't see it, but he's still technically dressed the way his religion tells him to.

He could of course, choose not to court the types of people that turn out to be antisemitic, but you know, that would involve not making everything worse.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Remove the "here" from the end and you just have current republican policy

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

They fucked up that country so bad, him and his allies, I kinda agree with him (it disgusts me to say that). You don't want to go down with that sinking ship. Get the fuck out.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

It's wild that the "land of the free, home of the brave" let a bunch of incel basement dwelling grifter losers take over and tank the nation.

[–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Why is anyone giving this shitheel attention?

[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Emigrate to, immigrate from.

edit: I'm still confused but probably wrong here.

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Do I ? Emigrating is going away, immigrating is coming in, right?

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Right, so you're emigrating from America and you're immigrating to, say, Zimbabwe.

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[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

So in other words emigrating from (going away from) and immigrating to (coming in to), i.e. your initial comment is backwards.

Were you stoned when you typed it?

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You flipped it, that's the opposite of what you said initially.

Yes, you are correct

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I'm emigrating from the USA and I am immigrating to Iran.

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[–] becausechemistry@piefed.social 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The only potentially generous way to interpret that statement is if “here” is like downtown in a major city or near a college campus or something.

But do you know who deserves the benefit of the doubt? Not this little fucker, not one bit.

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Watch the clip, that is exactly what he is talking about. In context he it saying people should move from expensive metropolitan areas and into cheaper states if they cannot afford to live in the cities.

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[–] RustyShackleford@piefed.social 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Remember, he’ll be like veal when those young American citizens get really hungry.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dont celebrate his death! That is messed up!

You have to wait until it happens before you can celebrate, of course.

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[–] DandomRude@piefed.social 16 points 2 days ago
[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How can the same folks who can't afford to live afford to emigrate again?

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If America has failed to provide paths to success for it's own citizen, it's because the very successful have destroyed those paths, not because Americans have failed. The end of this thinking is America is inhabited only by very rich people and slaves, regardless of whether they are citizens or not. This thinking will kick out the tired, the poor, the huddled American masses yearning to be free that it created. Shapiro and co are absolutely incapable of compassion or empathy except in their own self interest.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Canada's full, fuck off please. Thank you.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

On average it isn't any cheaper to live in Canada, Canada does offer more social services at least.

[–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Classic Canada, such jokers; anyay, is your couch a foldout?

[–] arctanthrope@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

then where should we live, Ben? fucking Atlantis?!

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