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[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 23 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

When I think of a die hard Harry Potter fan, what I think is a normie. a vapid tasteless normie who doesn't know anything about the greater science fiction or fantasy genre who's immature desire for wish fulfillment and simplistic characters keeps them from seeking out greater authors. If they ever attempted the works by Ursula K. Le Guin or Terry Pratchett they would have either put aside Rowling, or more likely, quickly loose interest and revert back to simple pleasures.

Of course, this is a completely unrealistic perspective. It is unnecessarily elitist and patronizing. Nonetheless, it's still persistent. So I'd be really interested to hear the perspective of super fans of the series like that actually have a wide-ranging experience with different fantasy genres as a comparison point, what they think of those authors people often hold up as superior to Rowling, and why they find Harry Potter so special.

[–] Salah@hexbear.net 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

HP fans usually don’t claim that the books are high quality literature, they just fell in love with the story as a kid and like to reminisce in it. The fact that it became so popular allowed people to share their love for the story with their peers and play pretend as magicians as kids. It’s not that deep.

I find that super fans of anything frequently have some form of trauma or emotional harm they are trying to heal through channeling the joy they felt when first getting in contact with the subject of their obsession. I think that’s fine, we all use different ways to cope. They might say that HP is high quality literature to explain to themselves why they like it so much.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Most HP fans I meet do claim it to be high literature.

[–] Salah@hexbear.net 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Really? I know many (ex) HP fans and none of them take it super seriously

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No I mean current fans, not ex fans. ex fans don't, but the people I've met that self-describe as a "fan" of Harry Potter does seem to think highly of it

[–] Salah@hexbear.net 5 points 7 hours ago

I meant to say both, I know current and ex fans who all would speak highly of the story but who don’t pretend like it’s high literature. I think those are very different things. Most people don’t care if what they’re reading is the best written book or whatever. If the story speaks to them then that’s enough to love it and become a fan.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 13 points 16 hours ago

The only person I know (mid 30s) who never really outgrew Harry Potter is also probably the most basic "normie" person I know. And the only person I know who could possibly watch this new HBO series.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 14 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Real superfans don't read anything else, just write endless (and sometimes better than the og) fanfiction. Harry Potter isn't special, per se, it is just the first vehicle for them to explore their own creativity, with a large enough community that can share in that larger universe.

It is much the same for Tolkien fans, but Tolkien's sins are a bit more forgivable, as he was literally helping generate an entire genre.

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 10 points 17 hours ago

Harry Potter is great when you're seven and just starting to read longer novels. It helped grow my literacy immensely at that age. I haven't read them since the seventh book came out though, so I guess that doesn't make me a die hard fan like you're describing

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 56 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It got really frustrating reading through the books, where the recurring implication for Harry's success was that he's just inherently special. He doesn't do that much to prove himself, he's just the one that everyone's supposed to like.

You have a rags to riches story in the first book, where it kicks off this extensive world that fuses a bunch of fantasy tropes together, you have the "evil" faction that is portrayed as chauvinist along ethnic and class lines, you have a philosophical revelation of how one's choices matter more than one's birth, and them it just coasts for the rest of the series on magical curiosities, with Harry excelling and progressing not from doing anything special, but from being special.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 22 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The rags to riches story is also thst it just turned out he had a shitload of gold in a wizard bank the whole time.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 11 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, it's less of a "rags to riches" and more of a "Oh, turns out I didn't need to be wearing these rags, I was rich the whole time" sort of story.

[–] thefunkycomitatus@hexbear.net 44 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

The alleged reason is that she wanted to create an aspirational character for her sons while she was struggling with poverty as a waitress in the early 90s. Harry is special because he's mommy's special little boy who finds out mommy was rich all along. Everyone likes him except for the people who are bad. He lives out some predefined trajectory, created by mommy's love, where he doesn't really do anything but exist and be a special little boy. He worries briefly that he may be a bad guy due to being so special and famous but then is reassured by everyone that he can't be a bad guy because he's special and famous. Then he lives happily ever after after not doing anything (except being special) to kill the bad guy. Once the bad guys are gone then nobody dislikes him anymore and his fame can reign unchecked.

At best she was a deeply misguided striver who was trying to turn her kids into the same hollow strivers most "pick me" poors are. At worst she was actually writing a MKULTRA program to create the next great tyrant.

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 38 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

At worst she was actually writing a MKULTRA program to create the next great tyrant.

THIS is the kind of take that keeps me logging onto this site. 10/10

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

6/10 needs more bugs black-mold-futures bug-facts dancing-roach

I feel like shit I just want him back

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

OpenCommune hasn't posted anywhere on reddit-logo in over a year either.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Sincerely think we need a "local cranks get a pass" rule for sectarianism. Like, come on, it's leftist on leftist violence. It's not like they were being bigoted. What's a little incoherent ranting among friends? They were like a mascot, and we chased them out. I'll never forgive the mods! Not in this life or the next!

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 2 points 2 minutes ago

A key aspect of BMF was that they never mentioned people by name, didn't have any extended interactions. Every post or comment was once-off. You would never see BMF replying back to someone who replied to them.

It's really tough to paint someone as sectarian when they never beef with any user.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 9 points 16 hours ago

At worst she was actually writing a MKULTRA program to create the next great tyrant.

I mean...considering how huge Harry Potter got, it wouldn't surprise me if the CIA got involved at some point in pushing it, they probably wanted people to read the "Neoliberalism and the status quo are great actually!" books a lot more than any other fantasy novels that might've made people question the system.

[–] Yuritopiaposadism@hexbear.net 32 points 21 hours ago
[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 26 points 20 hours ago

Harry potter and the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRANS PEOPLE CANT BE ALLOWED OR IVE MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE AND WILL DIE FULL OF REGRET NOOO

[–] chgxvjh@hexbear.net 32 points 22 hours ago

For a second shaun had me worried

[–] Dr_Pepper@hexbear.net 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm proud to say I have never read the books or seen any of the movies. And I'm over 40.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 15 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

The books were mid and you missed nothing, but very few scifi/fantasy series got a complete set of movies at that level of quality, and that's a pretty novel concept even today. So many competing books with arguably superior aspects get canceled after season 2 or end up feeling like filler slop.

Many of us grew up with LotR and HP wondering why there are so few tv shows and movie adaptations of similar quality.

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

In a better timeline we would have an equivalent adaptation of every Dark Tower novel.

Which funnily enough, actually riff on the sneech from quidditch except instead of being a sports ball, it's just a hand launched guided drone bomb that kills children and is wielded by omnicidal cultists of the Crimson King who seeks to use tortured psychic neurodivergent children's unmarked the universe.

Stephen King is a shitlib but there are many strokes of genius in that series which make it still one of my favorite fantasy/sci fi works of all time.

[–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The dark tower getting a good adaptation would be nice, but my ideal would be a really good Wheel of time series. It would have to be LONG but that's also what would be so appealing about it

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Currently it is in the hands of Mike Flanagan, who previously worked on Midnight Mass, Doctor Sleep (a Stephen King adaptation that was good, and Fall of the House of Usher which is a Poe adaptation which was also real good. Given all the stuff he has worked on (good and not so good) I think he is perfect for it.

As far as longevity I really hope his take on it lives up to the hype because there are seven very dense books to adapt (excluding Gunslinger which advantageously was originally written as a standalone story and is fairly short).

They could both milk the series for a lot and also result in a very great adaptation since there are a few novellas too. It's both a blessing and a curse that there is so much material because it's going to require some incredible creative vision but also has the potential to span a decade of television.

And unlike GoT this epic fantasy tale actually got finished...

[–] wolfinthewoods@hexbear.net 5 points 15 hours ago

So, at the time the first book came out I was 14 and lived in a group home, and to have a fascimile of 'school' (I had yet to be enrolled at the local HS) one of the staff stuck me in a room and tried forcing me to read Harry Potter and I adamantly refused because it read like such crap after a few pages. Mind you, I was already a teen and had been reading Dragonlance stuff by Weiss and Hickman for a few years, so this fantasy world seemed rather dull to me. To this day still never had any interest.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 32 points 23 hours ago (14 children)

You were probably too old for it when it came out. I'm in my 30s, probably right in the cohort that was at the older side of the targeted age as the books were releasing, and felt too old for it pretty quickly.

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[–] red_giant@hexbear.net 29 points 22 hours ago

Harry Potter and the I just woke up and me not being the center of the universe was just a bad dream

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

My wife, whom I love very much, has one flaw, and that is she still likes Harry Potter even though she knows JKR is a TERF. We're probably going to watch the HBO series.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

at least pirate it

also maybe get her to watch shaun's video about harry potter? it's only from the text, none of rowling's side projects or general shittiness.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The Shaun video was really good, I will see if I can get her to watch it.

We talked piracy but since we currently have the HBO sub it's kinda moot. Not that we're really using it at the moment.

[–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Still don't watch it on HBO. It'll boost her popularity. If you have to watch it, pirate it.

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Saving this because with the new Kid Wizard and the Tropes show coming out, there's going to be a lot of people who need their shit checked

[–] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 24 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 19 points 22 hours ago

Thank you, thank you

I will be here forever

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