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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 15 points 19 hours ago

When I was a senior in high school, I needed one more science credit for graduation, so I took Human Anatomy. It was taught by a young hippie (it was the 70s), who also taught the exact same course at the local community college.

It was a great class, with lots of cool labs, experiments, and dissections. We had to memorize every bone, and every muscle. It was one of the hardest classes I've ever taken, but also the most fun.

That class was filled with future doctors and nurses, so none of them were whining about how they'd never use this stuff. But I wasn't on a medical track (I was a music history major), and I could have probably said that (I didn't), but I have used the knowledge I gained in that class literally every single day of my life, decades later. Easily one of the best classes I took in my entire life.

[–] Blindsite@lemmy.today 6 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Your garden and kitchen = biochemistry and biology. Home improvement, crafting and anything to do with the trades = physics. Household cleaners, gas, automotive chemicals and plastics = chemistry + healthcare = more organic chemistry and biology. Just dealing with everyday life is science.

Look I think one of the fundamental problems here is we have a cultural divide between people with thousand dollar degrees and everyday people. When someone says "I'm not going to be a scientist" they're probably thinking "I can't afford to pay thousands of dollars to pay for a degree" whilst actual scientists are wondering "why don't people pursue this subject more?" Money. Pure and simple. Real science = cooking, building something, worrying about that scum in your sink, trying to figure out the best cleaner that won't set off an allergic reaction, and yes looking into the side effects of vaccines and assorted drugs. You want people to think scientifically then call them scientists. Don't create an economic barrier for those who want to pursue knowledge. And don't treat science like it only happens in labs. It's an every day process. Science = the study of nature and everybody can do that every day. You don't need an expensive degree to do that. So being a "scientist" shouldn't be limited to those in white coats, getting grants and have a dozen plaques on their wall that cost a couple thousand dollars to buy.

[–] PeacefulForest@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

My homeschooling, flat earth believing, anti vax mother never taught me science. She said I would never be a scientist so that was enough reason for her.

[–] F_State@midwest.social 1 points 14 hours ago

I never had money or a science degree. I just watched Cosmos as a kid, devoured documentaries, and read articles on wikipedia all day.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Yeah, we're not talking about people with expensive degrees. The earth is not flat, and mcgyver is not an elitist. These things should be obvious with a high school level of education.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm so glad that people finally start to grasp, how bad excessive specialisation really is.

society is healing

[–] sleen@lemmy.zip 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Once I was doubting the need for higher levels of mathematics. Now as an engineer I realize the utility of this knowledge.

What made my change my mind? Well it's definitely not my intelligence nor my age, it's the practical application of that theory which got me here. Reading in between the lines can only happen if you like what you're doing.

[–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 15 hours ago

I have a similar relationship with math. Only that I learnt to admire it through 3D and shaders.

Check out Shadertoy.com

People there create works of art from something, that's usually perceived as "cold". I'm still in awe of how people, using "cold" analythical methods achieve something so full of soul. I think it deserves to be appreciated far more than it is now. This is literal magic.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I will argue this is not the problem. It's that vaccines were too good in their effectiveness. A victim of their own success.

The problem is not and has not been science. The problem is messaging.

This is the same reason why anti-vax is so popular, you think that's about science? It's idiots like RFK Jr and Trump have the ear of people. It's all messaging folks.

A person is smart. People are dumb.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

The problem is not and has not been science. The problem is messaging.

Yes, but the actual factor driving this is the meteoric rise of the top 1% richest, it is wealth inequality that creates a coherence to misinformation by establishing systematic incentives. There have always been nebulous, destructive, cancer like forces of misinformation, it is as human as human can be but we aren't really fighting to transcend the pitfalls our own nature, we are fighting to get on the same page about the rich fucking us all over by artificially supercharging these tendencies within us for their own gain.

It is irrational to just see this as an abstract conversation about the human brain's susceptibility to misinformation as it ignores the costly material operation being undertaken to manipulate us with said misinformation.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I have to agree about the too good in their effectiveness. To get to a point where people are just like, “Nah, it ain’t a big deal” is built atop the millions of dead.

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[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the bigger problem is that some teachers are so mentally checked out that they make those subjects actively unappealing. I wonder what makes them that way...

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Students. Students make them that way. It's no coincidence that most older teachers feel like they've checked out.

I did substitute teaching for about two years. I got to see a lot of my old teachers, Some classes were wonderful, a true joy to teach. Others, not so much. I can understand why some people, as you say, mentally check out. It's a coping mechanism. They were not all the same people I remember. Maybe part of growing older. Maybe part of years of difficult students sucking out all the joy of teaching they had in them

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

my mom is a teacher and she has similar observation. It also has a lot to do with how parents treat their children. i don't know if that's a problem in US, in Ukraine my generation (born late 80s early 90s) is very insecure about their social performance and stats and it's a complete bullshit. The current middle and school kids are affected by that. There is a lot of stuff in children's heads that just needs time to settle and forcing to push through at someone's else pace is counterproductive. it is a regular pattern when a student starts with solid grades but the chase for the highest grade over the years completely wrecks them and their overall grades start to slip hard because their parents conditioned them to perform and they try to brute force their way to high grades like it's a competition when it is anything but. The burnout they go through is brutal. And by the time they finish school - it's just a performer of sorts - a person who is able to do enough for a grade or rewards but there's just no substance no passion behind it. Meanwhile, students who starts off mediocre or low grades at middle school level up significantly by the time they get to high school simply because they commit to figure it out and once they tap into what clicks for them (math, sciences, languages, arts) they just start pieces together their personality jigsaws and it is way less dramatic then with high performers who would do anything for a grade.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

This is an important comment. We do not teach science on high schools , we stream students to science if they are self directed, then everyone else takes bullshit courses for an easy grade, these days acheived with LLMs.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

yeah, and this approach is so bullshit it is ridiculous - it depends on a child being self-conscious and motivated enough to get into stuff that A LOT of time and effort to understand even with significant adult assistance and proper focus. Of course there will be a significant segment that won't handle it well

[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

If smart people are so smart, why aint they in charge? Checkmate nerds!

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago

Because with educatio comes a sense of ethics and responsibility. Anyone with ethics will never get accepted into any political party.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

"Smart people" are generally not rich people. They are coerced into labor like anyone else. Sometimes their labor is even useful.

They generally don't have the time or reason to participate in a counter-productive popularity contest.

[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf 2 points 21 hours ago

Because there's no valid nor sound singular-pecking-order, and typically those "smart people" respected as "so smart" are "smart" in other aptitudes than the social aptitude and ruthlessness to so social climb and manipulate to be "in charge".

I very often say: we can all be polymaths in the making, not slaves in training. If/when we do so proceed that way, we'd catch more of these follies, and seek better protections and implementations and systems, than just leaving it to the most ruthless social climber, the most effective liar, getting in charge.

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Because to be successful in politics it's much more important to be charismatic and well spoken than to be actually smart. It's a ~~d~~sad state of affairs.

[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Hi dad, I'm democracies vital weakness and strength, the voter

[–] the_tab_key@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed, we need to get the dad brainrot out of office. When, if ever, was the last time we didn't have a dad for president?

[–] trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

No idea, I'm not in the US. We don't have a president here

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (5 children)

We need to split the US up into two parts so we can do A/B testing.

As others have said, the problem of vaccines isn't that they don't work. The problem of vaccines is that they work too well. They have completely eliminated the diseases that motivated their development, so people can't imagine a world where these vaccines don't exist anymore.

We need to split the US up into two parts. One gets vaccines, the other one does not. Wait 30 years. Then the people will see the effects and then the people will understand why we should have vaccines. If the people don't see the alternative scenario, they can't see the difference that vaccines make. We need to make these differences more visual.

[–] ColdSideOfYourPillow@piefed.social 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Singling out a random group of people to fuck over “for educational purposes” doesn't seem like a humane idea...

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] III@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

Sadly, there is no amount of in-their-face proof to overcome the "I do my own research" mentality.

And the original meme here misses the most important piece - they lack the basic concept of logic to understand how cause and effect relate to each other. So showing them A vs B won't get them to the results you expect - even though it should.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago (9 children)

the problem is that critical thinking should be a reflex and not a mental effort

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 1 day ago (5 children)

the problem is most emphatically not people skipping stuff in school, the problem is that the world is filled with people who have literally researched how to mislead and manipulate people. The only classes i think would actively help protect you against this is history and political science.

We can't expect everyone to be educated in every field so they can recognize misinformation, what we need is for everyone to recognize fascism and general authoritarian methods.

[–] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

A bit of philosophy/media would help as well, it doesn't help to teach someone science, if they don't understand what science is.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 141 points 2 days ago (24 children)

I feel like media literacy is more useful for preventing this crap than a scientific education would be, though both help to some degree.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 55 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I studied history (and by that I mean I liked to watch documentaries) and as a kid I saw educational cartoons and Anime (yes anime) that showed how there was a huge backlash against telephone and telegraphy when they first came out. With farmers blaming telegraph wire for destroying crops or crop diseases and they would sometimes even sabotage the wires and poles.

When I heard of the 5G bullshit that was literally what came to mind... it is incredible how eternal this form of ignorance is.

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