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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 167 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

It's the only ideology that thinks Charlie Kirk is important enough to assassinate. To the left he's an annoyance but there are much bigger Charlie Kirks than Charlie Kirk. TPUSA is so far down the list of things creating fascism. To liberals he's apparently baby Jesus. To republicans he's an asset. Only right-wing accelerationists have a motive because they're the only freaks who shoot up anything and anyone thinking it will spark a civil war. He makes a good sacrificial lamb if your goal is to make right-wingers rabidly homicidal or invite a fascist crackdown, but for everyone else he's just a generic influencer and punching bag.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 80 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Yeah the last time someone on the left did some adventurism in the US, it was attempting to take out the GOP majority whip. Actual high-value target.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 51 points 3 weeks ago

wasn't that guy basically a bernie lib too? if i start hearing about defense and fossil fuel execs getting domed i'll start thinking actual leftist

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[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 62 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I had him grouped in the meme-tier with crowder and tim pool, but after seeing all this I think he was actually a level or two above them. Probably above Shapiro but below, say, Tucker Carlson; notably Shapiro is on the decline and Kirk was apparently on the ascent.

But yeah I think most of the left was on the same page, just thinking of him as an unremarkable media bigot who looked slightly uncanny.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 65 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Ben never realized his ascent had a terminal arc in the right wing world because he’s too Jewish. Dude is level capped.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 46 points 3 weeks ago

Dude is level capped.

"Dawg it's a yarmulke, homie no cap" -- Shabibo in that one rap video

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I think he's also too normal? Or like the wrong type of weirdo? He's a briefcase-at-school kid in a world of irony-poisioned 4-chan fascists. He no longer appeals to anyone under 40.

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[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

If it had been Dave Rubin or some twitch streamer or that antisemitic Times Square Elmo they'd have probably reacted the same. The right-wing response to his death seems like it's more opportunistic than genuine, while the liberal response is the kind of shit they say about any generic republican who dies. It's hard to judge the staying power in the moment, especially if the media downplays the seemingly fascist shooter and limits the news cycles this makes.

He was a white house insider but I don't know what degree of influence he actually had there because he himself was just a generic meat puppet for his billionaire funders. As a media figure I more or less forgot he existed until last week when I saw a DSA post about his tour. As far as I know there wasn't even going to be a counter-protest, just an alternative event which would have drawn a larger crowd. The cultural relevancy of those is stuck in the 2010s and now we have terms like "debate pervert" to stereotype his brand of Guy. Even the memes about him were stuck in 2018 and limited to small face+diaper. I'd consider him more relevant than Dave Rubin or Stephen Crowder, but a C-tier influencer compared to Ben Shapiro/Tucker Carlson/Alex Jones/Joe Rogan/streamers. What little I saw of his media presence anymore felt like decade-old boomer slop.

Even between those A-tier influencers, none of them seem individually important enough for a leftist to target. Shapiro is on the decline, Tucker is deplatformed, Alex Jones is a donkey of the week for one of my favourite podcasts, and their streamers keep getting outed as paedophiles. Any other culture warrior name I can think of is just some dipshit who will be replaced tomorrow by another dipshit saying the same things they've been saying since the 1930s.

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[–] VeryVito@lemmy.ml 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This was my first thought upon hearing the news, too. It took me a second to even remember why I knew the name, and once I did, I was confused as to why he’d be an obsession for anyone.

Yes, his rhetoric was awful, but at the end of the day, he was just another troll at the troll factory.

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 82 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Gropyer on groyper violence. They're still going to blame us anyway, just like they blame all school shootings on trans folk.

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[–] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 75 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Every shooting should be presumed to be a right-winger, because they have, so far, been the only ones putting numbers on the board.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 42 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

at least we got The Adjuster

[–] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 54 points 3 weeks ago

Well, if we believe in Mangione, it was a tech bro that took the various forms of utilitarianism a little too seriously and not as a pretense to say that their involvement in AI made them the most consequential people ever since trillions of future lives rely on them doing it right.

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[–] vegeta1@hexbear.net 70 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

People really tried to compare kirk to MLK. Mindbendingly stupid country.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Nobody will be talking about Kirk by next week, let alone in 57 years.

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[–] Rom@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

It's funny because Kirk hated MLK

“MLK was awful,” Kirk said. “He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.”

“I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I’ve thought about it,” Kirk said at America Fest. “We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.”

https://archive.ph/xIqmw

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[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 66 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Just saw a video of Utah's governer talking about he was praying that shooter was from another state or another country because he wanted to be able to say "We don't do that here".

Guy gets shot in your state and your first thought is, "I hope this doesn't reflect badly on the church". That'd be one thing if you kept that to yourself. But do go and admit that on television? Damn. Never change Mormons. classic

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 41 points 3 weeks ago

Lol even state governors are just doing the "damn, hope he wasn't one of ours yikes-1yikes-3 "

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[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 61 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Hating Charlie Kirk because he wasn't conservative enough sounds like something my brother would say lol

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[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 61 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

So the bullets were misdirection then ig?

Whatever who gives a shit

New player class just dropped, cop priest

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 88 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

mfw you sentence your own child to death because you're such a bootlicking loser

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 61 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 42 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)
[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 45 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

When I say that Mormons are one of the most dangerous and insipid elements of USAan life, a lot of people think I'm weird, but they're not good folks

They will be one of the strongest opponents to a revolutionary force that emerges in the States

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[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 48 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)
[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 47 points 3 weeks ago

Worse: he's a retired cop.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 38 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I feel like I need to tell my son I will never snitch on him now

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago

If you see ~~someone~~ your son ~~shoplifting~~ assassinating a right wing media figure, no you didnt

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 45 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

no, they were a function of an internet-poisoned mind, a 4chan tier shitpost

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[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Cop Priest unironically right out of 40k

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[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago

cop priest

You mean paladins?

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[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 58 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Want to know how I knew? It's simple.

Leftists actually obey the law, despite being the law's harshest critics.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 81 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

sadness two minutes after posting "Be gay Do crime" I used my blinker and looked both ways before making an unprotected left turn

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

why dont gays run over bicyclists in their lifted pickup trucks if they love crime so much?

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 49 points 3 weeks ago

because that's legal

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago

riding bicycles is gay as fuck and you don't do friendly fire

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 51 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

me, standing at a completely empty intersection obediently waiting for green light: blob-no-thoughts

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 57 points 3 weeks ago

Groyper shoots Kirk

How can the rabid Left do this to him!

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 54 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the american empire will be destroyed by the american empire. Same with Israel. The tragedy is the innocent people that get caught up in the fascist death drive.

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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I thought "if you're reading this you're gay lmao" was too vaguely homophobic South Park humor for a leftist to use

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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 39 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

Call coming from inside the house!

What’s funny is you can’t really become a leftist without understanding enough theory to realize Propaganda of the Deed is a dead end. I don’t know if I’d be bold enough to call it counter revolutionary but for a revolutionary in the modern age it should not be undertaken. This is not 1878, you can’t just shoot a mine boss, and it’s not like we’re living in a global communist utopia because that shit works. It didn’t.

So basically when these murderjunkies pop off the odds of them actually being a leftist are slim to none. You might have a person who is dabbling in leftism or festoons themselves in hammers and sickles but that’s just some bandwagoning, really. You might have a radical liberal who is radicalized along a conventionally “left” vector like gay rights or abortion access but those aren’t really “left” opinions.

Which leaves us with the elephant in the room: the right wing stochastic terror machine and its apparatchiks.

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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The Right always eats its own

Tartar Control Hitler taking out Hitler Dry while avoiding Raspberry Hitler

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[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I tried to find any other sources that corroborate that tweet, but I couldn't and journalists like Klippenstein are also asking that in the replies. Of course It would 100% not surprise me if he was revealed to be a groyper, but on the other hand considering how incoherent some of these kids' ideologies are these days, could it be like luigi-dance(I think he had some odd stuff with like rationalism and effective altruism(?)) who also was beyond internet-pilled from the engraved bullets? I could be wrong here but for some reason I had that remembered together when reading up about him).

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[–] Keld@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Don't like that fascists are stealing our jokes when they kill each other. I don't mind them killing each other, but stay out of our joke pile.

Assuming that what is posted here is accurate. At this point I don't know. But I do support just assuming the guy is a nazi and absolutely refusing any evidence otherwise when talking to the right.

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