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Love her or hate her (and my opinions are mixed), I must confess, JK Rowling was a huge influence on why I didn't become a regular author. No shade on people who get what they paid for, but the young reader crowd is just so gimmicky, and not in a good way, and you see that with a lot of works like Percy Jackson and Twilight (but also predominantly with Rowling's work). How do you compete in such a no-rules game?

So then let's talk about one of the cores of the issue. People often have an epiphany when divulging into Harry Potter, and they think "huh, what's the deal with this if that thing is how it is". While noting that conflicts in literary analysis don't always reflect something that doesn't add up and that it could be a hiccup in details/semantics, the questions themselves don't go away. And there's nothing that matches the amount of those having to do with Harry Potter. What example of which strikes you as the most overlooked?

If Rowling herself ever notices that I'm bringing this up, let it be known I do think of her work as a reskinned Brothers Grimm in the universe of The Worst Witch and that I'm collaborating with another author (Samantha Rinne) whose work I would argue deserves Rowling's prestige if Rowling's work deserves it. Thanks (and here is where I run for the hills).

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[–] skooma_king@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Ron didn’t need to wear Great Aunt Tessie’s dress garments. He could have magicked something snazzier. He wanted to wear Great Aunt Tessie’s wardrobe.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

JK Rowling just kind of improvised vis a vis the price of things over the series. Ie. in one book a galleon is a fortune where you can afford the entire snack cart and Ron has never seen that kind of money before with his own eyes, but then the next book the school books cost 5 galleons.

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

To be fair, I have bought textbooks that cost twice what I spend on my weekly grocery bill lol.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yes but how could Ron never have seen a Galleon in his life and in the next book he has to buy textbooks worth like 40 galleon at the beginning.

[–] DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

You aren't wrong there. Almost every book had some form of continuity error like that.

[–] blackstampede@sh.itjust.works 39 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

There is zero reason for the wizarding world to have social classes. Allow me to explain.

Although food can't be created with magic, any graduate of Hogwarts can cast the Herbivicus Charm (I think it's called) or the Greenhouse Charm to grow plants in moments. There's also a spell that produces fresh, clean water. They have spells that make the insides of things larger than the outside. Spells that clean dishes. Spells that levitate objects and automatically perform rote tasks.

Every wizard or witch is maybe a month or two of moderate work (at the absolute outside) away from having a private pocket kingdom with crops, furniture, fireplace, teleport pad, beds, clothing, swimming pool, pets, cattle, enchanted kitchen, self cleaning floors, and fucking golf course if they want it.

If they can't create, craft, grow, or summon something, they can buy it with money taken from an entire world of gullible muggles. Sure, dollars and yen are worthless in Diagon Alley, but you can still buy food and an enormous range of physical comforts with it. And if you absolutely have to spend money in a magical store- muggles still have gold. Even at the extortionate exchange rates that I assume the goblins would charge, the process of turning essentially free cash (in exchange for magic tricks or conjured trinkets) into gold and then into goblin coin is basically nothing but profit. A lot of it.

Which brings me back to social stratification. Why are the Malfoys considered a powerful family? Why do people differ to government functionaries and Dumbledore? Why do witches and wizards run businesses or work at all? Social hierarchy is a result of power imbalances, and other than direct, physical force, there are no power imbalances in the wizarding world. They can take your job, but who cares? You don't actually need one. They can take your home, but who cares? You can make another in a few weeks (and this time the hot tub will go on the balcony instead of in the backyard).

A wizard does not need anything from society or from other wizards.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

I feel like this is explained by the really unclear ideas of the "power level" of wizards. What makes Dumbledore "the most powerful wizard" isn't ever actually given context.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago

Dedicated magic government doesn't have a standing army or even an official police force branch to ensure public safety, and relies on essentially a band of mercenaries to take down Voldemort.

Twice

Also:

For me it’s always the unexplained power nerfing that authors do just to advance the plot.

Harry Potter in the first 3 books was fearless, he literally took on voldemort with his bare hands.

Then when the dumbass plan with the port key cup happens, he just stands there like an idiot as the rat dude kills Cedric and revives Voldemort as if both he and Cedric don’t have wands that allow them to cast spells.

I mean they could have maybe had like 20 wizards camping the graveyard to make escaping impossible, but nah they really tried to make the coward rat guy seem like he was now somehow more capable than all of voldemort’s previously defeated plans combined.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Biggest "plot hole" is that anyone still likes it. Especially now that Joanne is publicly a piece of shit. I was extremely surprised to see so many trans people and allies rush to give a person that hates them money at every opportunity.

She’s terribly ableist too. She made an entire book disparaging people with invisible disabilities.

[–] throwback3090@lemmy.nz 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Cool, maybe don't ruin a perfectly good thread though.

[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I think hating on Rowling is much better for the thread than talking about some silly misogynistic books.

[–] throwback3090@lemmy.nz 4 points 3 hours ago

Then start a different thread.

[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 12 points 15 hours ago

Dumbledore is quite sure the Defense Against the Dark Arts job is cursed, at least by the time of HBP. Sooo... why didn't he figure out how to break the curse?

Being able to retain a skilled teacher would be pretty compelling. Is Dumbledore really so inferior to Voldemort in regard to curses that he couldn't remove it? Or, if not, couldn't he have created a new position with a new name, and new classes to go along with it? Call it Protection From the Dark Arts or Magical Defense or something.

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 29 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Why are there socioeconomic classes on a society that can literally create or at least multiply any resources at will?

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago

They clearly state in the books that they cannot create resources at will. The resources need to exist first

Clearly you have not been studying for your OWLS. Focus on Gamp's transfiguration laws

[–] mcqtom@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Life, uhh, finds a way.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (9 children)

There's no fucking way that a kid raised from infancy like Harry was, in a abusive hateful household that treated him like dirt, would have enough strength of character to pull shit like the "Give it here, Malfoy" scene after having been out of the Dursley household for less than a couple weeks. Think about how the Dursleys would have reacted every time young Harry tried to stand up for himself. It would have been nonstop physical and mental abuse, all aimed at making him more subservient. It would take a miracle for a kid like that to be even vaguely functional as a person, and he certainly wouldn't have the ability to stand up for himself, let alone others.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago

Wizards are just built different. In Harry's case, he comes from a line of wizards that basically stood up to the metaphorical concept of death itself

Shits wack yo

[–] afronaut@lemmy.cafe 19 points 20 hours ago

You’re not entirely wrong but I was a complete misfit and the black sheep of my family. I resisted their attempts to conform and homogenize me.

I think I took a lot of inspiration from the stories I had access to from books, tv, film, and video games.

Harry could read so I wonder if he also had access to books with inspiration characters. Also, what was his school life like?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I think having literal magic powers is the key difference. Though I do think he would just end up becoming the bully more realistically.

[–] throwback3090@lemmy.nz 4 points 7 hours ago

I mean... He does. Hes a huge bully.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 23 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

The spell system is wack, which opens up all sorts of plot holes. Want Harry's invisibility cloak? Accio invisibility cloak! Boom, Harry's visible and you've got his cloak. I doubt that Rowling ever played D&D.

[–] EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

This one is kind of accounted for. It's implied there are protections that can be put in place to prevent it from being summoned with Accio.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It is also explained that that particular cloak is immune to charms

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Yep, one of the big differences coming from it being THE Cloak of Invisibility and not just and enchanted cloak.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Well this kind of got answered in the game of Hogwarts legacy.

I always was curious how they Imbued physical objects with magical properties.

Let's say, the evanescent cupboards

So these are created as a pair and connected to each other in the sense that whatever you put in one, shows up in the other

It's basically an actual functional teleporter.

Leaving aside the specific instructions for use, this thing is a massive hack.

So in the games they do sort of explain that you can add magical properties to your clothes by using magical beasts resources.

So maybe the evanescent cupboards are made of one of those beasts that teleport a short distance

Same as the paintings and such

[–] lucullus@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I always cringe with the 7th book, where the trio is hiding and searching for horkruxes, and for some weird reason they don't have enough food and are constantly hungry. From the reading perspective I understand, that the hunger is a device to generate conflict and make their time hard to endure, but it always baffles me.

  • It is mentioned, that Hermione pulled out all her muggle savings, so why didn't she think about going to a supermarket and buying all the conserved food (cans and such) she can before they got on the run? She even mentions, that food can be multiplicated, just not created out of nothing.
  • When they are hiding they sometimes get to a store or supermarket. But that only brings food for like a few days max. Why not more?
  • And when there where too many dementors in an area to get more food, why not going really far away. We know Hermione was at least one time in France with her parents. Why not going there? Probably the war-like situation was not spread over the complete world that seriously. At least we are not hearing any of that in the books (JKR probably didn't even thing much about international things when writing this)
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