Also when "conspiracy theory" automatically reads as "bullshit" to everyone, actual conspiracies get looked at less.

And to remind everyone "conspiracy" is just a plan by two or more people to commit a crime. A much more mundane term than what it's current connotations would suggest.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

Unless you're a spy who ran from Russia (and basically not even then, as we have supo), why would that matter?

Unlike the US, Finland has and continues to successfully avoid Russia meddling in it's affairs.

We got labour protection, social security and have among other things, fixed homelessness.

Yes, there's a lot of issues as well, but compared to other countries, I'd say the average person is fairly well off in Finland in terms of financial security. Mental health is a whole other matter, though.

50 nonconsecutive laps in a day isn't even that much, tbh.

As a cabbie, I could drive 25 fares a day, and if I go back to my station after the fare, then I'd drive one lap while driving the customer home and another while going back myself.

I'll let anyone buy a Finnish residency. Just pay me a to-be-agreed-upon sum and then we'll get married and it should be quite a done deal. Perhaps need to keep addresses the same on paper for a few years but that's it.

Hit me with them offers.

Probably because it was abbreviated "L3" or "Elthree" in the "Solo" movie.

Yes, abusing drugs of other classes can cause depression too.

Who ever argued it didn't?

A depressant, when not abused, relieves symptons of depression (and even when abused, often relieves them upon intake).

It also relieves those symptoms despite being abused.

on drug abuse and addictiveness are incredibly flawed in the first place. That doesn't make your anecdotal experience from a drug ward

I literally emphasised how anecdotal experiences aren't evidence enough, which is WHY I LINKED ACTUAL PEER REVIEWED DATA.

My point is not that CNS depressants don't cause depression from abuse, but that it's just a result of abusing drugs, not the fact that they're a depressant class drug.

And you're wrong. First off, research the difference between the terms "addiction" and "dependence", and then read the science I just linked in my previous reply.

You're willfully ignorant, pretending you understand a subject you're barely conversant in. (Why do people feel the need to do this online?)

I used the analogy, because it's literally how the depression causing part of downers caused psychological depression; by long-term CNS depression.

That's why alcoholism is so strongly linked to depression. Just like benzo abuse and opioid abuse, but unlike meth, speed and other stims, which tend to cause mania.

(I feel like I'm repeating myself here. Probably because I am, and you just keep ignoring the actual science, because it proves you wrong and you're not man enough to admit to having not understood something perfectly.)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8238014/#:~:text=Studies%20have%20reported%20that%20prolonged,medications%20for%20non%2Dpain%20symptoms.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/alcohol/risks-effects-dangers/depression#:~:text=Alcohol%20can%20not%20only%20lead,reducing%20or%20stopping%20alcohol%20use.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9834328/

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/ajp.138.11.1508?download=true&journalCode=ajp

https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/ajp.2006.163.7.1149

You mean market socialism

"Hi, I'm Gabe"

Isn't linked?

That's just wrong. Correlation is a link. The long term high dose use of any CNS depressant correlates with actual depression (the psychological issue [I added the brackets because you seemed to miss when I specified the difference earlier.])

Oh wow, an anecdotal story, well that just proves what you're saying is 100% correct.

Science couldn't possibly disagree

"Pure" psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin rarely cause any sort of abuse, really, but I've been on a drug abuse closed ward and the manic people were generally in there because of CNS stimulants of all sorts. Psychedelics are just less likely to yield any long-lasting harmful effects compared to say smoking crack or snorting meth.

So yeah, while a CNS depressant isn't the a thing that directly causes psychological depression as such, you can probably see how they're linked from the following analogy; imagine that I tie your legs together. That doesn't remove your ability to walk, per se, as long as you remove the restraints. But if no-one removes them for 50 years, do you think you'd walk as well as before?

In much the same way, yes, CNS depressants are linked to depression, and alcohol and benzos are the clearest examples.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8238014/#:~:text=Studies%20have%20reported%20that%20prolonged,medications%20for%20non%2Dpain%20symptoms.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/alcohol/risks-effects-dangers/depression#:~:text=Alcohol%20can%20not%20only%20lead,reducing%20or%20stopping%20alcohol%20use.

Abuse of any psychoactive drug on the regular leads to depression.

That's a biased generalisation.

While abusers of psychedelics are rare, they're generally manic and psychotic moreso than depressed.

Yes, depression can be caused by any addiction and abusing stims can cause a lack of neurotransmitter due to exhausting the resources for the body to do so.

It's a bit different than using something that's a direct depressant though.

Alcohol is a depressant my man.

Neurologically speaking, so in a different context, yeah, but neurological depression also seems to lead to actual depression, the mood disorder, which also show up as neurological depression.

We really need better imaging tools to measure neurotransmitter activity, would make for several advancements I'd say

Here's a spoiler for you; you don't have to pay JKR, even indirectly.

Buy used books or pirate movies / games so she doesn't get the benefits.