Imagine if Jackie Chan tried to make a name for himself today in america, lol. : chapotraphouse

[–] Des@hexbear.net 95 points 1 year ago (3 children)

i remember so many articles as a kid breathlessly describing "the rise of china" as a sort of neutral/neutral-good thing. everyone thought they were going to get addicted to a market economy and politically "liberalize" aka become a heavily manipulated and corrupted multi-party parlimentary liberal "democracy". i guess there was a bunch of excitement about looting the place

i think the anti-corruption crackdowns basically saved the country and the Party

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[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Russia is more baffling because it was 100% a US client state, the reactionary lib compradors the US chose and propped up are still in power, and Russia was licking America's boots and begging for approval right up until 2014. The way American officials managed to alienate their own handpicked puppets like that is astounding.

Like I genuinely can't understand how and why the US decided to do that, it's like the real scary, cynical old cold warrior demons won and got the complete American hegemony they'd spent their lives angling for, and then they retired happy and their successors just flailed around and undid it all within twenty years. Like it's this self-defeating blend of grifters trying to engineer conflicts so their arms dealer stocks go up, and dipshit true believers who think the US is some divine force of ontological good and purity who are entirely guided by the unhinged propaganda the grifters draw up for them, and nowhere in any of this is there a single cynical statesman monster capable of coldly planning for hegemony left holding any sort of power.

It's a truly impressive level of rot and collapse that's only picking up speed as the world catches on to the fact that the machine of imperial hegemony has been hollowed out by graft and no one's going to fix it.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

This is beautiful
chef's kiss

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

I think what happened there was that the Russians refused to allow the US to dictate all the terms of the relationship, which is obviously something that's unacceptable to the poo-brained empire.

[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

The US started pushing Russia and China into hostile relations with the US after the West screwed up the Yugoslav war.

At the time, they were really against the NATO air strikes in Serbia. Slobodan Milosevic and his brother proposed that Yugoslavia join the Union State of Russia and Belarus. And NATO almost attacked Russian troops near the border between Kosovo and Serbia for no reason. In addition, the US bombed the Chinese embassy in 1999, which further deteriorated relations, which never improved.

[–] liberaldeathsquads@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The 90s peace should have never happened.

[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Soviet union come back please wreak holy vengeance on the empires

[–] liberaldeathsquads@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

lenin-crush-capitalism

[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i remember so many articles as a kid breathlessly describing "the rise of china" as a sort of neutral/neutral-good thing.

That's because the Westoid capitalists were making huuuuge buckets of money in China either ! manufacturing for export or selling to the domestic market. Back then China wasn't a credible military threat or economic competition, so those articles were the capitalist's feeding call.

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They were also high on end of history histrionics and genuinely believed that economic prosperity would lead to an american style free market economy. And I don't think people were silly to think that way in the 90s. You had to be in the know to realize the fundamentals at play. That China, unlike the Soviets, did not privatize the commons but instead implemented a market economy. The only hint of how things were going was how Japan was forcefully turned into an american sharemarket economy. China by all indications did not have to and didn't.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

my grandfather used to describe Hong Kong as like this burning ember of liberal market capitalism that would basically spread across China eventually. that they would become addicted to the wealth generated there and replicate it everywhere (this was in the 90s).

he couldn't predict how utterly irrelevant Hong Kong would become

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Ouais, Des...

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's cuz ppl thought China was goin' the full comprador route... hence, the media depiction is a bit toned down, compared to now, but there are still some movies with condemnation of revolutionary China during that time, so I'm not sure...

But even then, Hong Kong and China are kinda different animals; most of the time, what we watch are mostly Hong Kong films, not mainlander filmers...

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The 80's and most of the 90's were the Japanese Yellow Scare

We thought their quality products and affordable cars would bury us alive

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Most of the 90's

Didn't Japan's real estate bubble crash heavily during those times?

I mean, it seems that the U.S, in the 90s' generally, seemed to thrive, throughout the post-Cold War suffering that they've caused...

Edit: Look at CindyTheSkull's response for explanation...

[–] CindyTheSkull@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did Japan's real estate bubble crash heavily during those times?

The US reined in their vassals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaza_Accord

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Welp, I forgot to mention that...

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It crashed in 1991, but I think the yellow scare lasted into the mid 90s for some people. I remember my parents always acting like stuff made in Japan was inferior to American made products.

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[–] Rx_Hawk@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A lot of Hollywood studios do consult with China to ensure their films will be allowed to be shown there, and thus give them access to the largest market in the world.

All in the name of American capitalism, but it’s not really a myth.

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[–] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jackie Chan punching through round wooden boards painted like coins while a voice over rants about fiat currency.

[–] Beetle_O_Rourke@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

peltier-laugh

[–] c0smokram3r@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Pls list good HK actions movies 🤷🏼‍♀️

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Well, there's Sha Po Lang: Kill Zone...

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Most of Jackie Chan's HK filmography is good, even if he does play a cop or a soldier for the Br*tish colony in some of them.

Too many martial arts movies to list. All of John Woo's HK filmography, really.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Kung Fu hustle

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Hard boiled

[–] Wertheimer@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Election

Election II

[–] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Drunken Master II is my favourite Jackie Chan movie

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

A Better Tomorrow

[–] Beetle_O_Rourke@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Internal Affairs" - Cop crime thriller which was later adapted into 'The Departed' by reflavoring it to be about Irish-American gangsters and the FBI

"Once a Gangster" - Convoluted crime comedy about a chef who becomes a crime boss

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you mean "Infernal Affairs".

[–] Beetle_O_Rourke@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks!

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Not an action movie but still here to recommend

Comrades: Almost a Love Story!

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember Jackie Chan being a thing (movies, that one cartoon) early in my childhood then I feel like he just disappeared from reality (almost like Mandela effect), and by disappeared I also mean the entire genre of movies he usually does.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and by disappeared I also mean the entire genre of movies he usually does.

Yeah action comedy martial arts movies aren't as big as they once were in the west, now the closest thing we have may be marvel movies with their cgi instead of real action and the quips instead of actual comedy

Action movies in general have gotten more and more pro military with a tone of gritty "realism" (obviously bullshit given these are usually propaganda films) that makes what Jackie Chan does not really possible in the genre

Like I could see an old school action movie having Jackie Chan as a character and doing his thing and it could fit nicely but this new shit is too grimdark for him

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

They were better times.

I recently torrented the entire Jackie Chan filmography and worked through some of them. They don't always hold up, but they're always fun and have such a different style than current movies. It's mostly a shame for kids.