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s: "I don't like capitalist Russia!"
I know libs struggle with the concepts of "the passage of linear time" and "cause and effect" but this is ridiculous.
History started in 2022 and you putler tankies can't say otherwise.
Ukraine will fight till its last man, woman and child for freeeeeedoooommmmm.
"Slave Ukraini"
Remember, tankie - russia is an empire, nato is a small bean defensive alliance that has never done anything.
*that has never done anything defensive
RuZZia has an economy smaller than Italy, which is why we must encircle it with the world's biggest military alliance.
UWU 4th reich smol bean
Ukraine can try all the gaslighting they want, but the true fact is that Ukrainian neo-nazis invaded Donbass. Not Russia. They don't like the war. They should respect people's right to self determination and leave
Plus, the only reason Russia intervened is because NATO is a shitty neighbor. They should try being less imperialist. Oh and not overthrow elected governments and fund neo nazi gangs. Pretty easy
The version based on facts.
They should try and not invade countries you say? You love NATO too? 
The North Atlantic Treaty Organization is expanding to meet the expanding needs of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization
— Oscar Wilde, probably
The rationale of "well HE attacked first! so any former and further arguments are nullified!" is baby brain shit. I want to insult it by calling it liberalism, but I'm struggling to force the triangle into the square on that one. I really want to though.
It's the same bullshit right wingers, including liberals of course, have played with the DPRK since the war. The US and its puppets were very obviously and clearly escalating with intent to invade the north and forcefully put down the communist forces led by Kim. But they knew invasion was a bad look, so they took that classic Roman tactic of push and push and push until your enemy finally says "fuck it" and attacks first so you get to say "wow! he attacked! that's bad! hey everyone, this Kim guy is bad!" then anything goes and you can justify all kinds of insanity.
Unlike Kim though (whose "invasion" (unification attempt) I support) I don't really support Putin's actions. But to dismiss the very clear and obvious history of NATO and what it's been doing to the USSR and now Russia is so dishonest and playing into the same tired, shitty playbook.
It IS liberalism. It ignores the material conditions leading to the conflict and reduces it to a mere question of who started - allowing the liberal to feel like they have the moral high ground and therefore allow any and all possible response, no matter the consequences. After all, the material reality doesn't matter, only how the already existing can be made to fit into the ideal they want - even if it is, as you said, forcing the triangle into the square.
Dictatorship? Wym, we made them free in 1991. We made them just like us. You're welcome.
EU is so democratic, look at Greece and what they did to the country.
Nato is also democratic, don't look at what spain, portugal, greece, italy and turkey got up to "to their own people" in the 50s-80s.
Greece invented Democracy so anything that happens there must be democratic
2022 Poland peacekeeping Buildup of NATO forces in respose to Russia's build-up of forces on Ukraine border
Chef's kiss. Polish anticommunists call presence of Soviet forces in Poland "invasion" and "occupation", so what else is this by their own logic.
Jesus libs still with the brilliant military analysis of "Russia should give up on their 2 year military operation that they're winning because an American liberal said so"
I want all anglo NATOids put on pikes and paraded before the global proletariat as a warning to the next set of would-be reactionaries negl
NATO must expand because I just shoved a bicycle pump down it's throat and started pumping rapidly.
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