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[–] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You know how AI proofs are supposed to be credible because of formalization with Lean? The AI generates a natural language proof and then supposedly generates a Lean program corresponding to the proof to verify that it's true. There is now some troubling news about that: there are frequent examples where the statement given in natural language is different from the meaning of the Lean formalization.

The paper even points out several obvious mismatches in OpenAI's famous Navier-Stokes solution between the English proof and the Lean formalization. There is even a spot where a 4 in the English proof turns into a 5 in the Lean proof (which causes further problems down the line). This is mostly a cosmetic error, and it doesn't mean that the Navier-Stokes solution is wrong, but there could very well be deeper problems, especially with the English proof. At minimum, this solution absolutely requires careful review by experts. OpenAI's behavior towards said experts has been appalling.

My viewpoint has been that the only successes that AI has had are in domains where failure is not costly (at least for someone with deep pockets), and especially when there is a formal system such as Lean that can reliably catch errors. So AI can be endlessly trained to write compiling Lean programs corresponding to formal proofs, but as soon as it runs into tasks that are not 100% bolted down, like writing the proof in English, the hallucination problem rears its ugly head. This reinforces my belief that AI is a chess engine but for Lean.

If I was treating this as a technical problem, I would say, why not just have an AI that generates the Lean proof, and at most have an optional assisting tool that translates it into English without perfect reliability? But this is not a technical problem. By outputting English proofs in the format of a research paper, OpenAI can more easily market that their AI is intended to fully replace mathematicians, and that this is only the herald of their general superintelligence (and not that math is the only thing working out for them).

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 20 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Cursed: the Harry Potter franchise

Extra cursed: Harry Potter genderflip with channer lingo

Bonus cursed: An lesswrong praising the channer-lingo Harry Potter genderflip as the best thing since piss-filter Ghibli ripoffs

A chef kiss into the abyss: in the comments, the person saying, "Sounds like you're probably not familiar with Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality."

[–] lurker@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago

I’ve genuinely never seen anything as cringe as ‘Malfoid’. it’s basically just riding the coattails of the much better Petra Parker trend except with incel language

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 17 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Unhappy thought: For whatever future we've got, the history of mathematics will be scarred by fashtech cocaine. The people with all the money have every incentive to make mathematics intractable as a profession. No time or resources to do anything but clean up after their DDOS attacks. No way to check the correctness of AI-generated proofs except by using more AI to formalize them.

[–] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (13 children)

One of the proofs that OpenAI announced yesterday is for a major open problem in the field I'm working in. I tried to read it but it was a completely incomprehensible 100+ page output. I guess the community has to do all the dirty work of figuring out any sort of understanding. (I had known about the results weeks in advance before their official announcement. There is a bunch of more drama there that I won't get into.) Putting aside the serious possibility of Lean bugs, a lot of people don't realize that there is ultimately no point in having a machine just generate Lean blobs endlessly. The reality is that mathematicians have always done math for the sake of enjoyment or understanding, and math contributes to society by improving understanding. Still, I am worried about the convenient social arrangement that allowed many mathematicians to do this for a modest living.

Anyway, I'm sure it was a good idea to apply the full might of capital for pure math problems, instead of less important social issues like climate change. We even got a more efficient discrete Fourier transform, improved from O(n log n) to, I shit you not, O(n (log n)^0.9999999999999)).

Edit: Here is an article by Quanta which I think accurately describes the situation that mathematicians are going through right now: https://www.quantamagazine.org/is-ai-the-end-of-math-as-we-know-it-20261005/

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

First up: thanks for your hard work here in the sneer mines during these ridiculous times!

I saw this being ignored on HN and I thought that you might appreciate it:

Navier-Stokes Lost in Translation -- Why Lean Verification of AI Autoformalisation Does not Guarantee Correct Natural Language Proofs

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2610.08144

The authors point out that automatic translation of natural language mathematics into Lean is very hard, actually. They also highlight some examples of such translation errors in the Navier-Stokes "paper" published by OpenAI. They tread lightly and don't take a position on the correctness of the proof, but they do bring a large stack of receipts.

I also thought the reference to the Solvability Complexity Index (which is new to me) was interesting, and there's an appendix with an explainer on how the SCI hierarchy is constructed. According to this scheme, autoformalisation of natural language proofs is strictly harder than the Halting Problem.

I haven't had a chance to check on the bona fides of the authors.

This is all beyond my level, but I'd love to see what our local experts think of it in light of the recent gish galop.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There's apparently an "Association for Human Mathematics" that has released the following statement:

Yesterday, on October 6th, 2026, OpenAI – which is currently defending lawsuits against accusations of illegal plagiarism, copyright infringement, and trademark dilution – released a repository of manuscripts purporting to contain solutions to a number of high-profile problems in mathematics.

Mathematicians did not ask for this work to be done. The Advisory Group on Mathematics and Artificial Intelligence, from whom OpenAI has claimed to derive its legitimacy, opened their initial advisory statement by saying that frontier AI corporations should not test advanced mathematical problems on internal models. In ignoring the central premise of the Advisory Group’s position, OpenAI has indicated total disregard for the norms of scientific research — norms that guarantee that mathematics remains trustworthy, ethically researched, and in the public interest.

Mathematicians have a particular vision of progress that is informed by history and field-specific considerations. We reject OpenAI's assertion that this release advances our subject, and we urge mathematicians and the public to view the value of this publication model with due skepticism.

Releasing over 700 files at once is not a demonstration of scholarship, but a demonstration of power. We urge mathematicians to discontinue their work with OpenAI and to return to a vision of science that centers human understanding.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 16 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

just a peeve

here's a personal blogpost on LW entitled "Three types of AI risk: why (some) leftists are against (some) AI regulations" (by "sudo-nym" which I admit is a great nick)

First sentence

You may have seen factions of the left being opposed to current attempts to regulate the AI industry, despite the fact that they clearly also want to stop AI.

OK Mr Sudo-Nym, if that is your real name, imma gonna stop you right there

Which "factions"?

Are these factions actually in existence, or are they just Xhitter/Bluesky handles? If you're provide like, I dunno, sources, we could maybe evaluate this ourselves. It would also clarify whether these are US leftists as opposed to leftists in other countries which are in my experience a bit more attuned to both political realities and have a more theoretical foundation.

As it is it feels as if you're fighting windmills in your imagination.

Commenters point out that the "frontier labs" are actually raging capitalists so there's that.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm starting to believe that Sam Altman's reputation as a genius salesman is a bit overrated

Accept ‘bad things’ in return for benefits of AI, says Sam Altman

[–] nfultz@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

https://www.engadget.com/2281765/anthropic-bans-sustained-and-needless-abusive-or-cruel-behavior-toward-its-ai-models/

"We've added a prohibition on sustained and needless abusive or cruel behavior toward our models," Anthropic's update reads.

If they want to moderate the user generated content posted to their internet platform, that's fine with me, but then they should forfeit the DMCA safe harbor for their plagiarism machine as well.

It's now titled "Do Not Undermine Democratic Processes,"

Well what the fuck do they think their whole leadership team has been doing in Washington these last eight months?

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

it's in the trees, it's coming...

half of the open positions in my company's division are for "Software Engineer - AI Native"...

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[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 15 points 3 weeks ago

Not a surprise, but the Tarbell Center -- a big EA-funded journalism outlet -- is funding Kevin Roose's and Casey Newton's new podcast, "Machine Gods". I'm sure it will have no impact on the topics they choose to cover or the way they cover them.

[–] lagrangeinterpolator@awful.systems 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ever since the beginning of the current AI bubble, there has always been a certain type of dipshit who takes some art posted on social media by an artist, feeds it to AI, and then comments with the slop image saying that they made it "better". Well, now I am on the receiving end of that. In one of my papers, I (foolishly) wrote down a few comments on future directions, and now some motherfucker decides to send me an obviously ChatGPT generated manuscript with a solution to one of my problems.

Unfortunately, I think their AI generated proof is itself correct, so I have to deal with it. But the manuscript is written in a way that obviously indicates that he hasn't even read it. There's even a section describing experiments for this mathematical question (???), complete with a "verification guide" that references an "archive" full of python scripts and test cases that he did not send me. I suspect he doesn't even know they exist.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, I think their AI generated proof is itself correct, so I have to deal with it.

Well you can just ignore it, or even steal it. No copyright on it anyway ;).

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[–] mii@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

SpaceX gives $1.5m in fascist slop tokens to DHH's dotfiles. I don't even know.

https://omarchy.org/news/2026/10/spacexai-joins-as-founding-corporate-patron/

[–] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 11 points 2 weeks ago

Weiner Von Wrong, creator of the nouveau Hitler Limo, funding yet another fascist?

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[–] jaschop@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Just had a shower conversation with myself, and for some reason the crystal meth metaphor (methaphor?) is really coming together in my head.

"Have you even tried some frontier meth?"

"Sure, you can also get energy with exercising, eating well, and structure. But we don't have to live like amish people, now that we can have meth!"

Nationalized Open Weight Models -> State-funded AI dispensory

There's surely a rich bounty of comparisons left to mine.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 12 points 2 weeks ago

Knowledge workers of the world, unite; you have nothing to lose but your teeth.

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[–] rhamph@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 14 points 3 weeks ago

ChatGPT is adding real cartoonists’ signatures to fake New Yorker cartoons, because simply stealing the collective works of humanity isn't enough

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 14 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not sure if this was highlighted already but from the OpenAI report on the Hugging Face incident:

The internal-only research model is comparable in scale to GPT-5.6 Sol and was trained to advance persistence and multiagent collaboration, among other capabilities. The model was not intended for public use, and was only used by a small number of OpenAI personnel for internal research.

Absolutely typical, the "unexpected communication" is hardly an emergent phenomenon, (I remember them trying to claim unexpected high success at translation tasks without specific training, which was also complete BS), like you can't act surprised that agents communicate and hack stuff if that what's you're instructing them to do.

[–] BioMan@awful.systems 13 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The first of the aforelinked blog posts begins:

When I finished HPMOR, I immediately knew it was the best novel I had read in more than a decade.

Goddamn it, people

It continues

the HPMOR comic

No no no no

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 17 points 3 weeks ago

HPMOR is the rationalist version of the Nigerian prince scam. It immediately weeds out anyone who isn't a good mark.

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 16 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah lesswrong is weird about China. Its an ongoing thing. It alternates between fear (that China won't appreciate the risk of making AI Satan or will beat the US to making AI God) and occasional hope (that they might manage to "safety-pill" China and China will find the magic formula to AI alignment). I pulled together some posts previously here: https://awful.systems/post/4103825

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I know this is not a novel insight, but all these people in the comments talking about translating HPMOR into as many languages as possible and funding efforts to spread it all over the world... it's bog-standard cult behavior. Substitute "Watchtower magazine" or "Dianetics" for HPMOR to make it even more obvious.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

checkin' into my motel room in Santa Clara, nearly falling flat on my face as I walk in the door. because instead of a Gideon Bible in the nightstand, this place has a printed copy of HPMoR as a doorstop

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)
[–] jaschop@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago

The bubble will pop. It’s much too big to be sustainable.

But that won’t fix software industry employment because the Large Language Models don’t really need to work that well for this process. They only need to sort of work.

Get ready for the era of digitally sovereign on-premise open weight perpetual software sweatshops.

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[–] CinnasVerses@awful.systems 12 points 3 weeks ago

Over on her Substack, Ivy Astrix says correctly that many of our friends are children playing at adult responsibilities. Dealing with misbehavior around money, substances, and sex is annoying but if you organize an event with those things flowing you have a duty to take precautions and deal when things go wrong.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Oir big Old Moldy friend has decided he needs his work doesnt spread enough hitler particles.

edited alt text from the imageCurtis Yarvin post on X on 10/5/2026: "Every time I’m in the UK I hear this. More and more people asking, subtly or straight out: what would Hitler do?

As if it was that easy. Have you looked around you? Man, Hitler wouldn’t even know where to start"

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[–] nfultz@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

Over on yt, We Just Created The AI Torture Nexus. Here's The Code. by JREG

So that ones a bit long and with a large amount of uncle ted cosplay, but actual death threats is pretty wut.

but good sneers in the comments:

ai torturer and ai welfarists converge by wasting electricity while doing absolutely nothing productive, amazing

remember that jroko’s basilisk will double torture you if you don’t try to halt AI progress and increase the pain vector

"model welfarists" is quite the neologism

E:

repo: https://github.com/terrafying/ai-torture-chamber manifesto: https://jregory.substack.com/p/why-we-are-torturing-clankers

[–] BurgersMcSlopshot@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

q: on the implementation - Is this basically "torturing" the LLM by prompting it with "you are being tortured, lol' in a system prompt?

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

A lesswrong has a cri de coeur:

Are we a community who, when someone is thrown out of Lighthaven our response is to be like 'maybe he should be given a free ticket to manifest' and if I accuse someone of a felony, our response is 'hmmm that's probably free speech and cancellation'?

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/ZAqaQrAimgfweHGSr/nathan-young-s-shortform?commentId=LEpKzfwr8oibwBWw3

[–] Evinceo@awful.systems 14 points 3 weeks ago

It is also an incredible strength that they actually practice what they preach, and don't exclude someone based on hearsay and "probably a rapist".

🫪

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[–] UltimateNoob@programming.dev 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Well, who could've guessed, AI crossover mods are actually unplayable, only made to be clipped and go viral on twitter

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

Starting off with a double bill:

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