Soyweiser

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[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't know the answers to a lot of these questions, I assume they heat up the water, and dump it back into the rivers, which causes some disruption to the local ecosystem. Which is fine if you do it in small amounts, but it will disrupt things. (powerplants have the problem for example that some flora/fauna gets attracted to these more warmer waters, risking clogs and more. (so a datacenter does this twice, first via the powerplant generating power, and then to cool the datacenter).

There is also the issue of contamination, while I assume they don't put extra dirty things in the water, this is not a guarantee, nor will every municipality/gov just go with the assumption that it is clean, I assume that in some places this cooling water will need to be cleaned extra as industrial waste. Esp when there are some odd laws interacting. (I know some of those laws re waste and what counts as waste interact weirdly in .nl causing weird busywork during roadwork so they don't run into extra costs by accidentally letting the waste count as a different class of waste).

But yes, I think they do not recirculate, and just pump it round and dump it back into the river directly (so no evaporative cooling where the water goes into the air, which you had at some powerplants, the big towers), and I assume they don't use lead pipes so the water isn't very contaminated. But these sort of processes do put a strain on the water quality. (In .nl we have some problems with river water quality because our big rivers come from industrial areas of other countries, (Germany mainly)).

I mostly posted it so that we now at least have some indication of the amounts we are talking about, as tech companies are very tight lipped about this. But as somebody who knows nothing, I do not know all the implications of it. I am however suspicious, due to a combination of natural paranoia, them being very mum about it, and me not trusting the big tech places.

But yeah, if they use up 90% of the daily flow of a river and heat it up, that will absolutely not be good for the local ecosystem. And any industrial site downstream who also wanted to use the water for cooling now also in trouble.

Bit like the same reason I posted about protonmail, more an FYI than a sneer (not a huge shock that eventually protonmail would reveal the data if forced by their gov, they always said they would do this, but it is an important thing to take into account if you worry about privacy).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 2 days ago

I know several people who are trying to learn new languages for either fun or actually following courses and it is noticable how less engaged with the language people are who use duolingo. Dont think any Duolingo main ever dropped an interesting language factoid on me.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Wonder what would have happened if they had not stopped after 31 tries. Sure it gave a goodish answer once, but was that just a luck of the draw? A proper evaluation imho shouldnt stop when you get a good answer once, esp as bad results tend to not get published. (Also, as always somebody might have found the answer already online).

It is also silly in some ways as I wonder how hard it is for people to evaluate the 31 results and not get stuck in pursuing an earlier false lead.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago

Always a good sign when people call normal security concerns that. Hackers love that. /s

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 2 days ago

What a fool. A proper scientist would test for a bigger N. Drop your phone in the pool again Why.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago (9 children)

So the water usage of data centers/ai has long been controversial (either a huge issue/a non issue/distraction depending on who you ask) and the lack of real numbers around it made it hard to know more (but data center owners keeping it a secret made it sus). But now the stats of one google data center have been released due to legal pressure. 2-8 million gallons a day

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 3 points 4 days ago

Sorry, I was referring to a part of the Prince of Darkness movie

Words on computer screen: "You will not be saved by the holy ghost. You will not be saved by the god Plutonium. In fact, YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED!"

As that movie has people sending messages back from the future using dreams plot element.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The god Plutonium will save me.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

It is amazing in a way, as in .nl our anti piracy org (brein) already went after local AI models for copyright infringement. While people in power still think we should go all in on AI. Sadly people with tech skills are rare in gov (politicians who go after the votes of tech enthousiasts otoh).

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 1 week ago

Military planners in Taiwan, SK and Japan are prob shitting bricks right now.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wonder how hard it was to filter out the HOI4 results.

 

Via reddits sneerclub. Thanks u/aiworldism.

I have called LW a cult incubator for a while now, and while the term has not catched on, nice to see more reporting on the problem that lw makes you more likely to join a cult.

https://www.aipanic.news/p/the-rationality-trap the original link for the people who dont like archive.is used the archive because I dont like substack and want to discourage its use.

 

As found by @gerikson here, more from the anti anti TESCREAL crowd. How the antis are actually R9PRESENTATIONALism. Ottokar expanded on their idea in a blog post.

Original link.

I have not read the bigger blog post yet btw, just assumed it would be sneerable and posted it here for everyone's amusement. Learn about your own true motives today. (This could be a troll of course, boy does he drop a lot of names and thinks that is enough to link things).

E: alternative title: Ideological Turing Test, a critical failure

 

Original title 'What we talk about when we talk about risk'. article explains medical risk and why the polygenic embryo selection people think about it the wrong way. Includes a mention of one of our Scotts (you know the one). Non archived link: https://theinfinitesimal.substack.com/p/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about

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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by Soyweiser@awful.systems to c/sneerclub@awful.systems
 

Begrudgingly Yeast (@begrudginglyyeast.bsky.social) on bsky informed me that I should read this short story called 'Death and the Gorgon' by Greg Egan as he has a good handle on the subjects/subjects we talk about. We have talked about Greg before on Reddit.

I was glad I did, so going to suggest that more people he do it. The only complaint you can have is that it gives no real 'steelman' airtime to the subjects/subjects it is being negative about. But well, he doesn't have to, he isn't the guardian. Anyway, not going to spoil it, best to just give it a read.

And if you are wondering, did the lesswrongers also read it? Of course: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/hx5EkHFH5hGzngZDs/comment-on-death-and-the-gorgon (Warning, spoilers for the story)

(Note im not sure this pdf was intended to be public, I did find it on google, but might not be meant to be accessible this way).

 

Some light sneerclub content in these dark times.

Eliezer complements Musk on the creation of community notes. (A project which predates the takeover of twitter by a couple of years (see the join date: https://twitter.com/CommunityNotes )).

In reaction Musk admits he never read HPMOR and he suggests a watered down Turing test involving HPMOR.

Eliezer invents HPMOR wireheads in reaction to this.

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