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[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 48 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

The propaganda is so bad that there are a non negligible amount of people that read this story and their first thought will be to blame this person for being a "traitor to America" for not supporting our economy by paying for overpriced healthcare, or because they don't have a good enough job to provide insurance.

There are working class people out there with the boot so far down their throat they will get angry at anyone pointing to how ridiculous of a world we live in.

It's like our entire culture in America is just filled with sunk cost fallacy and the false belief that as soon as we make things better that that will be right after THEY just became a billionaire.

Everyone is so tired and exhausted from overworking and getting nothing in return that the only dream they have is of being in the position of their boss one day and get to be the dickhead that fucks everyone else over.

We literally can't even imagine very basic things that most of the world enjoys.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 3 days ago

Millenials are destroying the American healthcare invdustry by dropping dead before they'd see a doctor. TRAITORS

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There are working class people out there with the boot so far down their throat they will get angry at anyone pointing to how ridiculous of a world we live in.

"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

Tale as old as time it seems.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Los Algodones, Mexico is a border town that's economy is based entirely around dental tourism. It has a population of 5,000 and has 600 dentists.

[–] Katrisia@lemmy.today 4 points 3 days ago

It's so funny the town is called "The Cottons". I imagine the cotton balls dentists use, haha.

[–] Cricket@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

Thank you, I was going to mention that too. "Molar City".

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 11 points 3 days ago

My dentist gave me a big estimate, and I said, "I'll never be able to afford that," and he said "Just go to Mexico, get it done for a quarter of the price."

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

So...

Bit of a funny elephant here....

Hum...

When can we start using the same rhetoric towards Americans as they're having towards Mexicans? Or the nationalists/fascists/racists have towards immigrants in general?

I mean, if we're going to see an influx of Americans going to other countries to benefit of the things which are better outside of America.... Isn't that literally the whole argument anti-mmigration people have?

I dunno. The irony kinda has me smiling like The Senate at an opera light show.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Oh the irony (and hypocrisy) is fucking thick, my guy.

My MAGA father-in-law wants to end abortion rights for all Americans in all cases. But when confronted by my wife that her and the rest of his 4 daughters might find their life in danger from an Ectopic pregnancy or other dangerous medical condition in which the only remedy is terminating a pregnancy, he calmly assured her that if they needed an abortion he'd fly them out of the country to get them one (but also the American Healthcare System is still the best in the world, btw). Meanwhile, he and those like him disparage those moving the US seeking opportunities and safety for their families instead of staying fixing their country that WE largely are responsible for destabilizing and putting into poverty.

And he doesn't put stock in us being held responsible for the state of those nations as the things we did to them happened decades ago (for the most part). Also he doesn't believe that Native Americans should have any claim to lands within the US or any sovereignty under US law. In unrelated matters, though, Isreal has a right to those lands because they were stolen from them thousands of years ago, and they can and should have a one state rule over the region and people there despite other people living there already, and also it is totally cool that they get put under a decades long blockade because those people voted a group into power that opposed their occupation, and they do not have a right to resist this blockade or occupation in an way with force.

If you are looking for consistent, thoughtful policy positions, I'm afraid the modern American Right has little to provide you.

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[–] modus@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

No one is stopping you.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Unfortunately the people who you should be bigoted against aren't leaving.

The fact is that the people of the U.S. that are stuck here need help. Desperately, as the walls are closing in faster than they ever have.

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We're not the product. We're the cows getting milked dry, and once we're out of milk they have taken everything they can from us, we're discarded.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 4 points 3 days ago

And these people will do it to every country if not stopped.

[–] Leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 4 days ago (9 children)

That's roughly 23k MXN, which is also what some people here earn in an entire month. Just trying to clarify that while it's certainly not as expensive as it is in the US compared to the average person's salary, it's still not as cheap for people who actually live here either

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Sure, but 21,000 usd as he was quoted is closer to the average annual salary in America. So it's still disgustingly more affordable for a local Mexican to afford their own dental care.

[–] captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not to undermine your point, dental services are still kinda expensive for regular people, but this is also Tijuana, a border city where stuff is more expensive.

And that dental clinic probably inflates their prices since they provably service a number of foreigners.

[–] Leonixster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 4 days ago

I'm aware, but if I started talking about that I would've ended with an entire wall of text, and I didn't feel like doing that

Still, thanks for providing additional context

That's helpful context. So all that for about 1 months salary in Mexico. Meanwhile the USA estimate was multiple months salary. Looks like about 4-5 months for the average American.

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[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Had some leg problems and went to a specialist.

The virtual call (yes I know) cost $400.

Then the scans cost $1800.

Finally, the procedure cost $7200.

Nearly $10k. And insurance only paid for 2/3 of it.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Years ago I worked out the math for a doctor to rent all his own equipment ( including MRI! ), pay for full time staff including accountants etc. and the money still didn't add up.

If doctors actually were paid $1,000/hr for their time, I'd understand because at least they are doing the labor. But that's not what is happening. Insurance companies are taking the profit.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

This is by design. The massive amount of unpaid medical debt makes this necessary. We are all paying for the healthcare of people who can't afford it PLUS the profits going to the insurance industry and the debt collectors. That is why it is so stupid that people refuse to do Medicare for All or something similar.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 5 points 3 days ago

I have yet to meet anyone in healthcare that will admit those kinds of fees are wrong.

[–] Cricket@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Something to be aware of when it comes to healthcare in the US: the entire industry is a huge money-making machine. It's not just the infamous insurance companies making a profit on people's health or lack of. It's pharmaceutical companies, medical supply companies, medical equipment companies, medical services companies (like software), and last but not least: medical professionals. Everyone making a profit at every level.

Take a look at this list of top 25 highest paid occupations in the US and weep. Summary: 23 of the 25 highest paid occupations are medical professionals. The only ones that are not are chief executives and airline pilots, and those two aren't even in the top 10.

For the sake of another example, I know someone who was quoted $4,000 for some dental work in the US and went to their birth country to have the work done instead. The bill was $90. Granted, it was a dental training school so that probably made it extra cheap, but they said the quality of work was better than they were used to getting in the US. It's literally mind-boggling.

This article mentions a couple of other factors that go into the price in the US that I had forgotten about: expensive medical / dental schools and medical malpractice insurance.

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[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago

It isn’t a healthcare system; it’s a health extortion racket, at this point.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I got dental implants in Costa Rica. One of the best medical systems in the world and flying there and back, hotel for ~10 days, rental car, and the two implants was cheaper than one implant from the sketchiest dentist I could find in the USA

Now I need 2 more and I’m considering going back. Wonderful country but driving there is a nightmare

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sometimes, I think America loathe Mexico not because they are brown and poor, but because America is envious that a poor country have affordable healthcare than the supposedly richest country in the world.

[–] moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm willing to bet the majority of Americans have no idea Mexico has affordable healthcare. Propaganda is a bitch

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[–] stumu415@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Wait till people find out the technology and cost for health care in China.

My father will get his hearing and heart checked here, because in my birth country he has to wait 4 months to get an appointment and than likely another 3 months for the next step. Here we get everything done in one day including all scans, results, meeting with the specialist and possible medication.

Edit: link because medical tourism is becoming a real thing now in China. I can't believe how ridiculous the costs are in the US. It's a total scam.

https://chinaneighbor.com/guide/healthcare/medical-trip-to-china-overview/

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[–] BigDiction@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

I’m pretty sure we’re reading an ad for a Tijuana based gastric bypass doctor lol.

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[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 9 points 4 days ago

Friend of mine went on vacation to Taiwan and Thailand for like three weeks and got dental done then. It was cheaper to be out of work and buy plane tickets and hotel stays than to have dental done in the US

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

And they are trying to bring that US system to Canada and the UK so maybe a dozen people or less can make billions.

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[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I live in a country on which USians love to shit online, and had root canal procedures and fillings done for free. Not sure about implants, though.

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[–] tazeycrazy@feddit.uk 3 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Probably should give you all a warning about traveling for medical work

1: You will not have access to the same level of after care when you get home. There may also be incompatible medication and procedures to your home country.

2: If something goes wrong you will need to deal with it out there. It may be cheeper for the procedure but you will not have the same resources to emergency or long term care. The cost of repatriation is astronomical compared to the cost of local care.

3: When you get back a local doctor or dentists is not going to touch this as this is someone else's issue and they don't want the liability of something more going wrong. You may need to then find more specialist care and more expensive work to fix what was broken.

4: Good luck getting any compensation. Different country means different legal system. You would need more legal resources to sue a foreign medical provider. Then would lose any savings you made as lawyers get there cut any a court is unlikely to pay out for the cost of what is to them excessive cost in a foreign country.

By all means get the work done but there is risks.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There is risk but you will still receive standard care if you got the initial care somewhere else. It’s just factually wrong that a medical professional, dentist or otherwise, is going to refuse work because somebody else did the initial work unless they’re a quak. It happens all the damn time.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago

Exactly. You're not looking for a contractor to fix the mess the last contractor left when you fired him for fucking up your driveway, this is the medical field. Doctors fix others doctors mistakes all the time. What are you supposed to do, go back to the quack who caused the problem, or get a new, competent one to fix the problem?

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago

All that same stuff could happen with an American dentist, at 10x the price.

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[–] minorkeys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

That's your entire economy after new markets gets 'investment'.

[–] Bongles@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I need similar work done, I keep forgetting this is an option. It'll cost me 15k to do here at a generic chain dentist. After insurance

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have dental insurance and it's near-fucking-worthless for this level of work (which I've a lad a lot of in the last few years). It pays only a small percentage of the costs and the payout is capped at $1500 per year, nowhere near enough to cover the cost of a single implant. I wouldn't even bother having the insurance in the first place but it's a free benefit provided by my employer.

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