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I think they honestly want them dead. Most are likely fascist adjacent who want anyone not productive, killed
You liquidate the reserve army of labor or divert them into straight slavery. Meanwhile you crank up the AI token bill up to 11, until the companies beg you to stop.
AI bros
think
i have identified the contradiction
I honestly don’t think they’ve thought that far ahead. Armed with an inadequate understanding of the current reality they are under equipped to handle the future. That’s why they love 80s futurism ai slop and reference movies bullshit whenever they talk about it. 
shit.
“Here’s some movies bullshit I saw in some movies” - the depth of these knuckleheads
Now, the real ice chewers are doing things like surveillance tech and panopticon shit, they’re more worrisome, but now they’re also going in for this ai shit, because it was all rooted in the same tech, but since they are also myopic capitalists I don’t know where their ambitions lie except, I kinda guess, a DARPA robot stamping on a human face forever.
Maybe they’ll offer us some social mobility by allowing us to sell them our children? I can see them dreaming that kind of shit up and calling it largesse.
Including themselves
I spend an unhealthy amount of time debating AI enthusiasts on 
which yes I know is an unhealthy habit but fucking sue me.
They're all convinced it will usher in UBI. There logic is that the rich won't want to live in some dystopian society hidden in bunkers and will voluntarily give up some of their wealth to create a stable society where they can still go the Cannes or whatever.
You can point out to them till you're blue in the face that the bourgeois have no long term vision, that they're already creating a dystopia via climate change, that they're already investing in luxury bunkers in New Zealand, and that historically the bourgeois have fought tooth and nail to resist the creation of any kind of welfare state, they don't fucking care.
After all these unhealthy, pointless debates, I've concluded most AI fans just like pulling the slot machine lever to get soft-core cat-girl porn so much that they can rationalize whatever to justify it. Their arguments are so fucking bad, they talk like children, because I think most of them are.
The AI billionaires seem pretty convinced that the AI they are building will bring some sort of dystopia. Transitive property, they are intentionally working towards a dystopia.
if the bourgeois were ever going to sacrifice a little fraction of their wealth accumulation to stave off dystopian hellscape, they would jave done it already. the hellscape is here.
there's maybe something to the notion that they don't know it is already here, because in the US wealth is primarily used/leveraged to buy ones way out of having to perceive the existence of poverty.
a better school district, a private school, a better neighborhood, a better community always means the same thing. higher property values & gated communities, more civic infrastructure compartmentalized from the decaying infrastructure of the poor.
ive lived in different parts of the US and certainly some are still more sheltered than others, but i have a hard time taking anyone seriously who can't admit how dire circumstances are for most people, including many of the historically advantaged segments like the college educated, the professionalized public sector workers, young scientists in training, etc.
20 years ago, these groups were pretty much guaranteed to be on the path to homeownership, starting families, etc. now the people on that path are deciding if they can afford to have a family (they can't) and can only get into a mortgage if their parents were well off enough to squirrel away a down payment they could fork over even as healthcare and elder care costs ascend into the stratosphere.
anyone pleading ignorance now is willing.
They die, or get slaughtered. What happens to the surplus population is none of their concern.
There's a whole lot of overlap between AI guy ideology and what is ecofascism in all but name. Somehow this works out for them because uh there's no drug like the hubris of a mediocre white man with too much fucking money? It'd be amusing if they didn't control so many of the levers of power.
I like how ubi got shelved and the techbros are like "nah we're just going to fucking kill you". Very cool, love it.
They die, or get slaughtered. What happens to the surplus population is none of their concern.
Surely it would become a concern when we're talking several billion dead lining the streets
These dudes have their own little Führerbunkers scattered across the world. They'll be fine. Don't worry, kitten. :)
For real, you'd think that kind of death and destruction might move someone to reconsider the consequences of their actions, or what they've done with their lives, but the AI dudes are high on their own supply. Maybe once the stench gets into their bunker they'll care?
Smh. Silly Owl. Nope.
But the pandemics that would cause? The smell? The sheer volume of-
Oh who am I kidding. You're right, of course they wouldn't think of that
They imagine everyone dead. TESCREAL cultists want everyone besides themselves, dead.
They don't care. They don't think about the rest of the population. Every single one of these ghouls wants to live in a world where they have unlimited unilateral power over humanity. Anyone left alive will be left alive as a slave or pawn for these people. The rest of humanity outside of who they can personally control is irrelevant to them. That's the world they dream of and the world they're trying to build.
It's worse than that. They want an end to class struggle through the final solution to the proletariat question. Their ultimate vision is them living as transhuman gods lording over robot slaves after humanity has been exterminated. They welcome climate change because climate change will usher forth the great culling of humanity.
without clear vision or insight they are racing to make a few things come true: (1) somehow magically LLMs and data centers will replace x number of workers. (2) hunter-killer drones can be manufactured by distributed fully automated factories and controlled directly by them through a MAVEN type interface, elimating the need for human security forces. (3) and finally they can cull and soften us up in a controlled manner hopefully avoiding a nuclear war during the process (so pandemics, civil wars, pollution, climate deaths, starvation, genocides etc). they have to have all these things align perfectly. the model is that they will live in a distributed israel type network state and the rest of us, the entire world, will be one big Gaza
none of these techbros understand this isn't possible but they think it's the only way they can survive. it's either this or we overthrow them. they over estimate how radicalized everyone is against them (they literally believe communists are everywhere, it's not hyperbole, they actually believe we are legion).
I was thinking more from a logistics point of view to be honest, because while I know that they don't give a damn about peoples lives, they might give a damn about a bajillion corpses and the sanitary problems that causes.
Most of them think things "will just work themselves out". In short: they don't have a plan. And if you pressed them, they would start talking in vague ways about how the luddites were bad and the industrial revolution was good.
A minority of the real sicko social darwinists think, that this issue will be solved through technologically supercharged state violence. And a lot of them are investing in that future.
The more controlable areas get the west bank treatment, the less controlable areas the Gaza treatment.
The robots will just buy shit they dont use at extremely insane rates they can't complain about. Probably a bot debt servicer that doesnt eliminate the debt but "makes it manageable" for the books will emerge as the next "revolutionary" industry.
Maybe when the communists take over they can just trap all the rich people in pods that let them play bad marketing simulators since they love fake economies so much
I think they already did that and we're it
I'd prefer we found a way to help their mental illness, damaging as it has been.
And what mental illness would that be? Greedy people who want the poor dead are very well adjusted to our current system, unfortunately
Something has to be mentally wrong. Healthy people are not consumed by their desires so much so that its all they think about. I'm not saying forgive them. What I am saying is figure out what's wrong with them so we can stop more from being made. Else the cycle will just keep repeating without understanding.
They're being created by their environment. We currently live under a system that punishes empathy and grooms people to be ghoulish from a young age for their survival.
Communism breaks that cycle because it rewards and punishes the opposite
Thats my point, humans are more harmonious in their default mental state. Capitalism had to come from somewhere. Some unhealthy people made this and we've been dancing to their tune ever since.
Capitalism had to come from somewhere. Some unhealthy people made this
That's extremely idealist, not a materialist way of understanding the world. Capitalism emerged from the material circumstances of that time, the contradictions of feudalism were causing ruptures that led to economic power concentrating along with the accumulation of capital. The development of new forms of production and exchange that the old system could no longer contain were what "made" capitalism, it wasn’t created by "unhealthy" individuals, but arose out of changing material conditions and class relations. We aren't in this situation because "some mentally ill people snapped it into existence." That's not how the world works, and neither "removing the unhealthy people from power" nor "making people healthy" are going to end capitalism or bring us socialism.
I dont have the words to describe what I mean. But I dont believe that people who exhibit traits of Machiavellism or any other intense dark traid traits should just be shunted or killed and we move on, and I definitely dont believe that if Anarchism or Communism was the main mode of the world these people would vanish, they'll still be here. So we need a more developed understanding of these hypertendencies and fixations.
I personally don't like lumping the mentally ill with them, as some of the biggest sufferers under this system are mentally ill.
But I'm pretty sure that's not where you're coming from and your heart is likely in the right place so I'll stop lecturing you
if it helps, "mentally ill" is a pretty fake category and we shouldn't be lumped in with each other, so adding some kind of "too obsessed with making the money number go up syndrome" to the dsm shouldn't be understood as getting anything on the rest of us.
Whether or not their heart is in the right place, you're totally right 
and expressing that doesn't mean you're lecturing someone!
For real I didnt take it that way. I like chopping the block with the bears. Talking about these things is how they get better.