Dirt_Possum

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[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 1 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I'm not too concerned about what I can and can't say now regarding Luigi Mangione. I think we all at this point wouldn't bat an eye at anyone "lionizing" him as described in the rule announcement post. But I'd be lying if I said it doesn't still grate on me every time I'm reminded of it and that it technically is still a rule.

I don't mean to stir months old shit, but I still bring it up because I don't feel like it was ever rectified. Like one of those things all the involved (users and mods and admins) just tiptoed away from after it became more and more apparent how bad of a rule it was and how messed up some of the mod actions were around it (see below). It was a problem that never got addressed, and the rule is to my understanding technically still in place. I'll put a spoiler tag on the rest to make it easy to ignore for anyone who doesn't care and to not further derail OP's discussion of fedposting. But it still is important in my opinion to acknowledge what went down, and it does have actual relevance here where we're talking about potentially new rules on what constitutes fedposting.

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You said it was news to you that it was still a rule, but it is still a rule, isn't it? Just not one that gets enforced anymore.

It was never an admin-agreee policy.

The rule announcement, that I linked to in a previous comment, was made by an admin of the site, not just a moderator. I think it's safe to say it even became something of a struggle session. She may have mostly forgotten it at this point, I don't know, but I think @Awoo@hexbear.net would attest to it. Below is the text that still sits as just a Removed by Mod comment with 92 upvotes that you see a couple comments down if you follow the rule announcement I linked above. (92 upvotes on a removed comment. I wonder what the record holder is on Hexbear for upvotes on a removed comment, I would bet that one's in the running.)

If that's too hard to read and opening it up in a new tab doesn't work, you can see it here https://hexbear.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=430 since it's not like Awoo has much in the modlog. (The supposed DM harassment also turned out to be a bogus excuse). I'm assuming you don't mind me pointing this out and tagging you, Awoo. I'll delete it in a second if you want me to.

I just really hate it when this sort of thing comes up around what is considered permissible speech here and the whole Luigi lionization episode slash struggle session is pushed aside or memory holed. Especially when that rule, as far as I am aware, still stands.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 10 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I'm not sure how involved you were at the time, but there were plenty of people simply saying positive things about him, no worse than like "Luigi Rocks!" and getting their comments removed for it. You may have had a more understandable policy for how you enforced it, but the rule was made for silly reasons. The thing is, that rule was made for the purpose of removing posts and banning repeat offenders that held him up as a person who had done a good thing. But he is a person who did a good thing.

thirst-posting him while saying he's both innocent and being used as a scapegoat, I would say is free game.

Thirst posting is always removed, as it should be. But one of the mods, former now, who was also enforcing the anti-lionization rule was doing so because they believed, still do apparently, that he was innocent and being used as a scapegoat.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (10 children)

It is news to you that the rule still stands? Well I could be wrong but it would be news to me if it had been retracted.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 21 points 6 days ago (13 children)

Agreed but I never thought Hexbear would have done something as cringe as banning the "Lionization of Luigi". Not Hexbear's finest hour.
And that rule still stands. cat-confused

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago

never accounted for people who profit from an idea pushing it with all sorts of marketing tactics.

I mean, that's literally what happens in regular marketplaces. That anyone ever thought that the marketplace analogy was a good one (to referr to the sorting of good and true ideas from bad and false ones) just speaks to how thoroughly propagandized everyone is into thinking marketplaces allocate products in a good and equitable, unbiased way. Anyone who understands how markets actually work long term in the real world would know that advocating for a "marketplace of ideas" is actually advocating for a sorting machine where the worst ideas get to be the ones that actually win out in the end. But of course very few people (Marxists) actually do understand how markets work long term in the real world because everyone has been force fed all our lives on the liberal lie that it's all just simple "supply and demand" and that the great "invisible hand" of the free market will ensure it all works out the way it should, the way it's supposed to.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Tangential, but what is the consensus around here about Jimmy Kimmel? Is he just the typical vapid liberal host or is he more insidious than that? I know nothing about him other than that he was on that misogynist The Man Show a long time ago and that the few times I tried to watch him, he was not even a little bit amusing, just dull and totally lacking charisma. But my lib dad who also never watched him before now thinks he's this great comedian who speaks truth to power. 🙄

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah I don't think it's just a bias because I am one, I think it's safe to say that the average hexbear is significantly more well-read and educated than the average American. But that doesn't mean miscommunication isn't a common occurrence here too, even specifically miscommunication due to someone not taking the time to really read and parse a comment. It's happened to me several times and I don't even comment all that much, but I see it often enough when just lurking. Not always during disagreements either, though the anger that can flare when there are disagreements makes it much more likely to happen.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

Kirk was actually a highly influential organizer with strong ties to the Trump admin, almost certainly including a direct line to Vance. He was a lot more than just another cracker podcaster.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You are a fucking fool. You're telling the person who developed one of the best leftist reading lists out there (one that I doubt you've read a single book on it), the person who hosts the community reading group for Das Kapital, that they should "learn to read." picard
It's even more rich considering everything you've written is dripping with pretentious debate pervert cringe ("lOgIcAl fAlLaCiEs!" oh my god, stfu nerd stalin-stressed), yet you don't even know what the words you're using mean. Example: "it exudes some very poor ideologies" cringe

Like the rest of us here, Cowbee knows what the fuck the word "tankie" means. We even know its history, originating as a term that some ultras used to deride specifically British communists who supported the Soviet's quelling of the 1956 anticommunist color revolution in Hungary. We are well aware of how it has transformed from that into a word used to demean anyone who recognizes Stalin as having been a pretty damn good leader or the DPRK as being the commendable bastion of anti-imperialism that they are, and from there to mean anyone on the left who is "bad." Seriously, I've seen anarchists called "tankies" for not sufficiently hating Putin. It is now meaningless drivel.

That said, I also personally am fine being labeled a tankie. It's literally no different than some drooling fucking chud calling me "woke" as if that's supposed to offend me. Like "woke," the word tankie is meant to be an insult, but everything the dipshit using it thinks is bad is in fact quite the opposite. In other words, anyone who uses it seriously is in fact a deeply unserious person. Your nonsensical comparison of it to a confederate flag (I mean really, wtf are you even talking about?) is far more insulting than the word itself.

If you think you are a leftist, you are in desperate need of education.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes. You and your devices are heavily tracked with actually highly sophisticated fingerprinting tech. Reddit knows that all your alts are you even if you use a different email with a different device. Using TOR was one of the last ways you could make an actual anonymous account but they put a stop to that a while ago. It's still somewhat possible with clever use of VPNs and and fingerprint-spoofing browsers, but it's not easy.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Agreed. The phrasing "every single person online" is a bit strange because if say Greta had been killed, there would undeniably be tons of people outraged and mourning, some of them even liberals. All (or nearly all) the "conservative" rightwingers would be celebrating it though and saying things like she got what was coming to her, probably along with a few libs being more careful with their wording.

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

I hope Pim Tool is shitting his pants rn wondering if he's next. Even better than Charlie Kirk being dead is that this happening might make these sniveling little propagandists actually develop a fear of suffering consequences.

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