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Something has to be mentally wrong. Healthy people are not consumed by their desires so much so that its all they think about. I'm not saying forgive them. What I am saying is figure out what's wrong with them so we can stop more from being made. Else the cycle will just keep repeating without understanding.
They're being created by their environment. We currently live under a system that punishes empathy and grooms people to be ghoulish from a young age for their survival.
Communism breaks that cycle because it rewards and punishes the opposite
for their survival, yes, but these freaks could stop when they get a few million and are set for life.
there's, maybe fewer than 20-50 years ago, people who build regional business and retire instead of trying to take over the world. there's a couple chain restaurants around here that don't push to expand forever because the owners (who are doing actual administrative work not just sitting on ass getting day drunk every day only collecting surplus value) don't want to deal with the extra work and don't trust someone they'd hire to do it.
what's the difference between Eat at Joe's Hamburger and the walton family? Why is Elon like that? why is Zuck? There are well-adjusted multi-millionaires, something else is going on with the most ghoulish of the ghouls.
Thats my point, humans are more harmonious in their default mental state. Capitalism had to come from somewhere. Some unhealthy people made this and we've been dancing to their tune ever since.
That's extremely idealist, not a materialist way of understanding the world. Capitalism emerged from the material circumstances of that time, the contradictions of feudalism were causing ruptures that led to economic power concentrating along with the accumulation of capital. The development of new forms of production and exchange that the old system could no longer contain were what "made" capitalism, it wasn’t created by "unhealthy" individuals, but arose out of changing material conditions and class relations. We aren't in this situation because "some mentally ill people snapped it into existence." That's not how the world works, and neither "removing the unhealthy people from power" nor "making people healthy" are going to end capitalism or bring us socialism.
I dont have the words to describe what I mean. But I dont believe that people who exhibit traits of Machiavellism or any other intense dark traid traits should just be shunted or killed and we move on, and I definitely dont believe that if Anarchism or Communism was the main mode of the world these people would vanish, they'll still be here. So we need a more developed understanding of these hypertendencies and fixations.
I personally don't like lumping the mentally ill with them, as some of the biggest sufferers under this system are mentally ill.
But I'm pretty sure that's not where you're coming from and your heart is likely in the right place so I'll stop lecturing you
if it helps, "mentally ill" is a pretty fake category and we shouldn't be lumped in with each other, so adding some kind of "too obsessed with making the money number go up syndrome" to the dsm shouldn't be understood as getting anything on the rest of us.
Remember that the people who make and use the DSM are the same people who said Drapetomania was a real thing and still say Oppositional Defiant Disorder is a real thing. Most understandings of "mental illness" victimize and pathologise the already marginalised and oppressed more than they actually help people who truly need help.
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Whether or not their heart is in the right place, you're totally right
and expressing that doesn't mean you're lecturing someone!
For real I didnt take it that way. I like chopping the block with the bears. Talking about these things is how they get better.