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[–] RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 67 points 1 week ago (5 children)

One thing I always hated about microblogs and their character limits was that it was just enough characters to spout stupid bullshit but never enough to explain to why it's wrong.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 38 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

And you can't just be like "Ok I have master's degree in this specific subject" because then the response is inevitably some form of "ok then please provide sources which would allow me to condense 6 years of your education into something I can refute in 6 minutes, and refusing to do so will out you as a liar."

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why interact on an even playing field? Just make like 15 accounts and convince them they have a neurological disorder like a normal human being.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're explaining, you're loosing.

Introduction to elementary debate, 17th addition. page 1.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago (6 children)

That's fucking idiotic. It's basically formalizing the whole "Whoever talks loudest and proudest wins" instead of "Whoever has the most valid and factual argument wins"

[–] petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

It's unfortunately just how things work. Facts only matter to people who care about the truth, and a lot of people don't.

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[–] dis_da_mor@anarchist.nexus 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

i wonder how intentional it was.

more argument = more engagement = more ad watching = more money

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I doubt they thought that far ahead, at least when Twitter was starting. Smartphones didn’t really exist back then, except maybe some BlackBerrys and Palm Pilot-type phones. The 140 character limit on Twitter was so the tweets could fit in a standard 160 character SMS message. It operated basically entirely over SMS; I’m not sure they even had a web version in the early days. I still remember getting messages on my flip phone from 40404, the number they used. Once I was in the Oregon desert on vacation for a week without signal and when I got back to a signal my phone kept buzzing for 20 minutes as all the tweets I’d missed were delivered. No algorithm back then, you got everything from people you followed, and no advertising either.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago

George Will on Donald Trump and Twitter.

"It's perfect for him, because he can encapsulate everything he knows into 140 characters."

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[–] godzillabacter@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago

"Never argue with stupid people because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience." George Carlin

[–] CallMeAl@piefed.zip 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The common pattern I see often is that they simply refuse to address or even acknowledge your points and instead just spout even more bullshit. Once I see that, I just block and move on.

I have no time for intellectually dishonest people.

[–] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Gish galloping is a well known argumentative technique to avoid scrutiny. It works so well, that now the US government is using a version of it to destroy the government at a rapid pace.

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[–] axh@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In science there is an answer "you are not even wrong" which is a polite way of saying that wat you said makes so little sense, that it cannot even be disproven.

[–] JohnSmith@feddit.uk 8 points 1 week ago

Originally used by Wolfgan Pauli, I believe. He also said “I don't mind your thinking slowly; I mind your publishing faster than you think.”

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[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I see you have met my in-laws. This isn't just some boomer humor, they have truly transcended their Fox News addicted roots and now get really angry about aliens, chemtrails, and all sorts of bullshit.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Same here man. Its insanity. It has to be the lead. People can't be this studpu otherwise right

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Ruts in thinking. Fox News has given them the tools to win any argument with little effort on their part... Any person attempting to provide a sound argument is flooded with BS and gives up... Which they consider a win.

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[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

So often it's me typing out a big old comment. Realizing I can preempt some nuance to help the conversation. Thinking of a dozen more little nitpicks that might happen and realizing it's just not worth it and it's really the idiocy of the argument that's making it so hard to explain myself.

[–] GeorgimusPrime@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You encountered Brandolini's Law aka the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle: it takes an order of magnitude more effort to debunk bullshit than it takes to produce it.

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[–] Bitflip@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

Its unethical to have a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.

[–] fum@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I met a guy in a sauna the other day who started preaching to me and saying that he doesn't believe in science because it contradicts the bible story of creation.

I just had nothing to say to this man. His perception of reality is so far off base that I cannot comprehend his thought processes.

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[–] StarryPhoenix97@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

There are some people who have just been filled with so much wrong information over the course of their life that it's impossible to reach them. Anything you say to them will have a keyword that puts their guard up, any fact you share would be fake news. It's like their brains have been encrypted with the propaganda and hate. It's pavlovian. I try to recognize it in myself and maintain an open mind but it's hard.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Now imagine that they're your parents.

It's fucking awful.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

It's not worth the effort to break down their position, and present coherent arguments back to them. They'll just completely miss what you're trying to say, and blast back more incomprehensible BS. It's just raw, blind, ignorant anger, most of the time, we can't refute emotion with logic, they just don't hear it.

[–] Matombo@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

"Right extremists are defending Democracy"

Just 2 weeks ago and I still haven't recovered from hearing that in person.

this could be because they understand "democracy" completely differently, though honestly it's probably just a cover for "our way of life" or "our interests"

like when the US goes to the middle east to spread "democracy", they're not actually spreading a better quality of life for the people, just violence and bloodshed. could be that your acquaintance meant it in that way.

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[–] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I used to work with people who would smoke whatever weed their friend gave them but wouldn't get the covid vaccine because "you don't know what's in it"

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Yes, I block them, after I make sure that they're insistent on being disingenuous, and not merely misinformed.

Related: Pretty sure I've blocked most of the .world moderators/admins at this point.

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[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Brandolini's law (or the bullshit asymmetry principle) is an Internet adage coined in 2013 by Italian programmer Alberto Brandolini. It compares the considerable effort of debunking misinformation to the relative ease of creating it in the first place. The adage states:

The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.[1][2]

The challenge of refuting bullshit does not come just from its time-consuming nature, but also from the challenge of defying and confronting one's community.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law

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[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago

Thankfully the fediverse is still small enough that blocking people has a noticable effect. On reddit, for every person you block there's 4 more to take their place.

[–] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (14 children)

online arguments never change minds, they only serve to galvanize each persons prior beliefs

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 12 points 1 week ago

Its not about changing your opponent's mind. It's about the people reading along. You aren't talking to your opponent. You're talking to the audience you share with that opponent. Never forget that.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 week ago

False. I was deeply religious growing up but can remember the exact "debate" with an online athiest that planted the doubts and lead to my deconversion.

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[–] Truthtwopower@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Every maga I come across. Just a bag full of excuses for pedophiles.

[–] Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Those are one of the groups I'm talking about

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[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago
[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Went to the UK and the director was shitting on vegans. I said, "you can hate them but at least they're good for climate change" (I ignored mentioning I was a vegan in the past). Holy fuck, non stop verbal diarrhea. He said that global warming isn't true because scientists have agendas. Global warming is when seasons change (I think he was being funny or facetious about that). He also said eating meat had some carbon in their bones and that's good for the earth or some shit.

I wasn't able to get a word in. I did eventually say that his definition of climate change would be agreed by no one. Then he came at me again and eventually ended it with "well, you started it".

I said, "yes and let's end it and move on"

He did not and then said more random shit.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

MAGAs. Sometimes I don't even debate them, I ignore them and talk about them as if they weren't there, make fun of their arguments, laugh at them, mock them, just generally bully them, without even addressing them directly. They really hate that.

MAGAs and Anti-Vaxxers are about the only acceptable bullying targets, and they should be bullied as viciously and as relentlessly as possible. The damage they have done is incalculable, they deserve it.

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[–] Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

7/10 ppl online.

But w lemme its still 7/10....but there's obly like 10 users so I can handle it.

[–] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Yes, i have meet a person before. I have also commented on the internet.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So far I only really experienced this with two people on the Fediverse. @SmartmanApps@programming.dev (I have no compunction about @ing him, I assume he's blocked me since he stopped replying to me ages ago - does that mean I win??) seems mainly to use the internet to further his incorrect beliefs about maths. He's a maths teacher, but his knowledge seems to run out around the end of high school maths (contradicting some high school maths), and he doesn't have the intellect to understand how maths beyond that point even works: he fundamentally doesn't understand what a mathematical definition is, for example, so when he reads standard sources he doesn't even understand how they contradict him.

Everyone else pales in comparison.

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[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

In my wise old age I don't waste time on fools. I no longer have the patience. I used to try to talk them out of whatever stupidity they're peddling and it was rarely successful. Not worth the effort.

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, I've never tried interacting with myself like that.

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[–] BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's hard to win an argument with a smart person. It's damn near impossible to win an argument with an idiot.

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[–] foodandart@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

That's like 5 out of 10 on reddit.. so yeah.

Thing is out here, there is less polarization and if you've got the links and the facts that are verifiable, people can and do go "Ah! I did not know that... thanks!" and mean it.

Which I love.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I try not to argue with people on the internet. Its a complete waste or time and im actually surprised by how many people do it.

I dont think you can change anyones mind with comments.

[–] pieberry@lemmy.today 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My mind has been changed by comments on here.

People can be quite informative, patient, and empathetic. They can write eloquently and persuasively. I'm glad for those people who have helped me change my mind on topics where my view was wrong because of my ignorance or flawed logic.

But in all honesty, I probably would have been better served by in-person public discourse on those topics instead of spending my time reading a bunch of takes from strangers on the internet. In person, you (usually) know everyone participating is real. You can gauge their sincerity by their tone & inflection, facial cues, and body language.

While my mind has been changed by people on here commenting, I still would much rather step away from the internet and talk to people face to face about the topics that effect us the most.

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