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[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've said this for years. MA was the political head of the most reactionary absolutist faction in France and supported an even more tyrannical government than the sun king's, to the extent her own husband's party had to disavow them.

They were a bunch of violent thugs who triggered the September massacres by crashing a party of constitutional monarchists and republicans.

To ignore this is sexism. She wasn't some clueless shrinking violet she was a Habsburg, trained from birth to rule, did so competently (well, more so than her husband), but played the game of thrones and lost.

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

played the game of thrones and lost.

This is just like Gambo Thrones soypoint-2

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Come on can I just have fun with a turn of phrase just once?

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I have absolutely no sympathy for royal families getting liquidated for the very simple reason that every royal dynasty ascended the throne through the overthrow and liquidation of the previous royal dynasty and understands that when their time comes, they deserve nothing less than liquidation. The Jacobins and Bolsheviks did not do what another rival feudal family wouldn't have done in their place.

Your royal family got overthrown by a usurper, so now it's time for the previous royal bloodline (eg your extended family) to be exterminated. Don't like it, then gouge out your eyes, mutilate your genitals, and join a monastery. Antoinette could've abdicated and joined a convent as a nun. As a woman, she didn't have to gouge out her eyes nor mutilate her genitals before taking her vows of stfu, but she didn't, so them's the breaks.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Antoinette could've abdicated and joined a convent as a nun

actually they were abolished by the revolution, so she couldn't lol. her path to not losing her head was more "not commit an enormous heap of treason"

[–] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago

Yeah, and you can't say the revolutionaries didn't give her like a dozen separate chances to stop with the treason.

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Note to self: if you're a queen, whom the people don't like because you are a woman and Austrian, which is admittedly unjustified, like a 'bad boyar, good tsar' thing, or generally any monarch

Don't try to worsen things for yersel when you veto many measures of the provisional constitutional monarchy and especially do not conspire to have foreign countries invade that area, and indirectly radicalize much of the constitutional monarchy to become anti-monarchist Republican.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago

this video is so sloppy and the audio is hideous.

heap of factual errors because they're just vibing from the super loose powerpoint script and not well acquainted with the course of events. contrapoints is way more wrong than seems reasonable and the OP steps into bullshit by thinking contrapoints is halfway right

'marie antoinette's treason could have resulted in a devastating war'? look up the war of the first coalition

'MA should have been executed for real charges' she was, the incest shit was not the lynchpin of the prosecution

[–] gayspacemarxist@hexbear.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

4 year old video

some kind of lib takes

this oblongs in slop

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did the peasants and urban workers of France deserve they're oppression and exploitation for hundreds of years?

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If we start the clock with Hugh Capet in 987AD and with the revolution in 1792 we are looking at just over 800 years, if we really want to get down to the brass tacks of the French Crown

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 16 points 1 week ago

She deserved worse.

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

There's a million liberal cissies with a platform out there who are as bad as her or worse, but none of them get several threads a week nitpicking their shittiest ideas from 4 years ago. Guess why.

[–] Andrzej3K@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I know this isn't what you are saying, but I genuinely think a ton of people on here used to massively stan her and think her work really meant something, and now that she's turned out to be the absolute worst they can't stop torturing themselves over it.

A few years ago, she was chumming up to the online left at the same time as trolling trans communities, and I imagine quite a few people feel kind of guilty about turning a bling eye to that, so again, they obsess over her. It's a pretty smart media strategy tbh.

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've grown out of liking her myself, i have distanced myself from pretty much her entire perspective on trans womanhood, i've politically always been to the left of her, but somehow i am not constantly tearing into her every time she should have put her phone away instead of sending a post. And honestly, it's not particularly hard. I simply don't have time for hating trans women i have never met as long as men exist.

[–] I_Voxgaard@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

we overcame the site's obsession with Vaush, maybe we shift the funny-clown-hammer treatment to contrapoints at rhis point.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I don't think there's much to say on her anymore beyond "yep. Her takes are garbage" she no longer has the influence she used to and thrives on internet drama, the best thing to do with someone like that is to not waste our time talking about their nonsense, old or new.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

because those people don't have a history of betraying their much more leftwing former audience with NB phobia, associating with medicalists like buck angel, or hanging out with the clintons?

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

Look, i agree with that criticism, i've just been over all of these problems with little miss truscum in the last contrapoints hate thread we had two days ago, but i don't think that's why you people are so obsessed with her. Hexbear has, to give one example, zero qualms constantly riding the dick of openly transphobic anti-woke crank Norman Finkelstein, so if you people can tolerate that anti-BDS, anti-black, misogynist piece of shit but can't tolerate a piece of shit who is transfeminized, i know what's the actual problem.

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think people who think Arabs are human beings dislike her because she doesn't think Arabs are human beings, actually.

[–] 389aaa@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And of course all the posts about Contra's various ancient bad takes are relevant to that, right? Posting about her shit takes on Marie Antoinette from almost half a decade ago?

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yup. People do the same for Hasan. He constantly says things that ragebait people so they do way weirder unrelated things like pretend he's a dog torturer. You're just implying that pro-palestinian people are transphobes, even more so than zionists. Which is just very strange.

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're just implying that pro-palestinian people are transphobes, even more so than zionists

How do you even come to this conclusion

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Try reading the thread, I guess. Or like, the rest of the comment you're quoting.

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Literally nothing they have said implies such a thing 🤷‍♀️

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It absolutely does. If the slop-posting of other e-celebs by other communities is not due to transphobia, but anti-zionist people posting her Islamophobic rants is.....

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have literally been told itt that being a transphobe is ok as long as you are anti-genocide (specifically, anti-genocide but still pro zionism like Finkelstein).

[–] Kumikommunism@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Cool, I'm not really responsible for what other people say. That doesn't mean anti-genocide people are transphobes.

Like, what is the point of responding if you're going to ignore the entire comment you're replying to?

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You could stop responding. Would be better at this point, honestly. You're already making up strawmen like "you claim that anti-genocide people are transphobes" when nobody said anything like that anywhere. I brought up the example to prove that yes, we do have transmisogynists like @Biddles@hexbear.net on here and they go mask off every time you poke them a little.

My point isn't to defend Natalie's takes on Gaza, not only because they are indefensible but because her position on the genocide isn't even the topic of this thread, it wasn't the topic of the last contrapoints hate thread three days ago either, it is barely ever brought up in spite of the fact that we collectively tear into her twice a week. My point is that the excessive focus on her is a symptom of hexbears' transmisogyny problem that nobody except the trans women on this site is ever willing to adress. Stop making up excuses for what is obviously transmisogyny, stop telling trans women that we cannot tell it's transmisogyny.

You even go out of your way and say "this is the same as people making up lies about Hasan's dog." You openly admit that this has reached the point of character assassination where it doesn't even matter anymore if an accusation is completely fabricated. and where the original problem that made somebody an acceptable target is now only trotted out as a flimsy after-the-fact justification. How am i supposed to treat somebody who thinks that kind of behavior is not only normal, but perfectly acceptable?

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hexbear has a serious casual transphobia problem. This isn’t even the only time it’s happened in the past couple of months, there was all the denial of Lilly Bushnell’s gender as well. Claiming that someone’s transphobia is acceptable just because they oppose genocide is honestly deplorable.

I really wish the admins would address it as it is one of the main things holding Hexbear back.

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[–] 389aaa@hexbear.net 4 points 1 week ago

I am in no way implying that, fuck head, don't Ziojacket me.

Am I criticizing the slop posting of her Islamophobic rants right now, jackass? I specifically referenced the various posts about her old bad takes like THIS VERY POST we're commenting on.

This is in such unfathomable bad faith, I really hope this website actually cracks down on transmisogyny one day.

[–] I_Voxgaard@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I recognize your position but I really think people here are fixated on Natalie because she is a propagandist for the bourgeoisie, not because she is a transwoman. I mean the megathread at this very moment is celebrating a transwoman who is on the "right side of history".

[–] bunnossin@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

There are hundreds of bourgeois propagandists. That's not an answer.

the megathread at this very moment is celebrating a transwoman who is on the "right side of history".

Yes. The trans megathread. Also, "transwoman" cringe

[–] DwigtRortugal@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

trans woman

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh, the trans megathread features a trnas woman, that must mean the site is fine with us. Nah, sorry, it takes a bit more to convince me when some stupid motherfucker just openly told me that people get a transphobia pass as long as they are against genociding more important minorities.

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[–] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hexbear is the best place on lemmyverse for trans people because that's an incredibly low bar to clear, as it is in so many other places online and irl. Even before the Contrapoints posting this week there was already a thread on that mega in response to another incident lamenting the fact that we can't even trust our cis hexbear comrades to not post transphobia. But at least in that case, he learned and apologized instead of posting excuses through it all.

Also the reason you're getting clowned on for "transwoman" is that the spelling is used to distance us from womanhood and put us into a third gender category. Please use trans woman going forward.

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you people are so obsessed

i pay no attention to her except for some of the time she's posted on here.

i won't defend the critical flaws of Finkelstein or Mearschimer etc, they get positive engagement when they say correct things or clown on people we don't like. maybe natalie should try saying something correct and heterodox about geopolitics or make an original dunk on somebody relevant?

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

anti-woke crank Norman Finkelstein, so if you people can tolerate that anti-BDS, anti-black, misogynist piece of shit but can't tolerate a piece of shit who is transfeminized, i know what's the actual problem.

Jesus, that’s really harsh, I really can’t recall Finkelstein saying something seriously problematic about trans or black people. Open to evidence that he is, I just have never seen that side of him. I know he mocks woke or w/e but I haven’t heard anything too bad

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's very openly transphobic and has mocked Angela Davis in the past.

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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think it's worth considering that this website is extremely terminally online in a specifically entertainment-media-and-twitter direction and so Contra has more salience to them as a "breadtuber" (something many people here still bear some attachment to) than e.g. public intellectuals and the like. This is especially magnified by Nat's method of constantly posting left-punching ragebait on Twitter to make up for the once a year upload schedule she's on. Also there was the Palestine statement and I think at this point multiple subtweets directed at this site's current Streamer Daddy. These factors combine to make her have a greater level of psychological salience for this audience even though she does not remotely merit it.

I agree with the other poster that she deserves the funny-clown-hammer treatment like that other ragebaiting, compatible "left" asshole, because I certainly agree with you that there's a severe bias and it's counterproductive to everyone involved except for Contra, who gets more attention and thereby money with her bullshit.

Considering everything else about the site, from the general culture to their being defensive-to-merely-dismissive of characters like Philosophy Tube (outside of specifically criticizing her silence on Palestine), I don't think the problem is that the site hates trans women. There's probably something to be said for the more generic misogyny of how reactionary left-identifying people will, for example, talk about hating "white women" to smuggle in the real object of their hatred (women in general), especially since Contra very aggressively plays up the sassy girl boss "slay queen" stuff, but I don't think that's the same thing.

Edit: I revised it because I realized one of the points I made was indefensibly foolish. Sorry about that.

[–] moss_icon@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree with you. The Contrapoints posts are getting old. I mean for fuck’s sake this one is 5 years ago now. Why does it even matter?

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

This video is 6 hours old

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I really empathize with her struggle with dysphoria and I think go a little softer on her as a result. What bothers me about her is that she's a de-radicalizer for leftists. I know and see so many people with a sky-high opinion of her who can't see the faults in her ideology that capitalism and Zionism aren't going anywhere so the most revolutionary thing you can do is vote Democrat.

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Monarchs are gonna be pieces of shit a healthy portion of the time, them's the rules in class warfare, I'd like to hope instead of supporting historical villainous scum in frill she just really wanted to cosplay the look and there's an old issue of good aesthetics means good in the eyes of idealists, but that's some naive thinking out loud, this is just opportunism.

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