this post was submitted on 04 Mar 2026
864 points (99.4% liked)

Science Memes

19839 readers
2634 users here now

Welcome to c/science_memes @ Mander.xyz!

A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking, as well as memes about the realities of working in a lab.



Rules

  1. Don't throw mud. Behave like an intellectual and remember the human.
  2. Keep it rooted (on topic).
  3. No spam.
  4. Infographics welcome, get schooled.

This is a science community. We use the Dawkins definition of meme.



Research Committee

Other Mander Communities

Science and Research

Biology and Life Sciences

Physical Sciences

Humanities and Social Sciences

Practical and Applied Sciences

Memes

Miscellaneous

founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
 
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 177 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

For the uninitiated: this is the current most-efficient method found of packing 17 unit squares inside another square. You may not like it, but this is what peak efficiency looks like.

(Of course, 16 squares has a packing coefficient of 4, compared to this arrangement's 4.675, so this is just what peak efficiency looks like for 17 squares)

Edit: For the record, since this blew up, a tiny nitpick in my own explanation above: a smaller value of the packing coefficient is not actually what makes it more efficient (as it is simply the ratio of the larger square's side to the sides of the smaller squares). The optimal efficiency (zero interstitial space) is achieved when the packing coefficient is precisely equal to the square root of the number of smaller squares. Hence why the case of n=25, with a packing coefficient of 5, is actually more efficient than this packing of n=17, with a packing coefficient of 4.675. Since sqrt(25)=5, that case is a perfectly efficient packing, equal to the case of n=16 with coefficient of 4. Since sqrt(17)=4.123, this packing above is not perfectly efficient, leaving interstices. Obviously. This also means that we may yet find a packing for n=17 with a packing coefficient closer to sqrt(17), which would be an interesting breakthrough, but more important are the questions "is it possible to prove that a given packing is the most efficient possible packing for that value of n" and "does there exist a general rule which produces the most efficient possible packing for any given value of n unit squares?"

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 41 points 1 month ago (5 children)

But you can fit 25 squares into the same space. This isn't efficiency, it's just wasted space and bad planning.

You raised the packing coefficient by ⅝ to squeeze one extra square in with all that wasted space, so don't argue that 25 squares has a packing coefficient of 5. Another ⅜ will get you an extra 8 squares, and no wasted space.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Precisely. That's why I wrote the parenthetical about the greater efficiency of 16 as a perfect square. As the other commenter pointed out, this is a meme. This is only the most efficient packing method for 17 squares. It's the packing efficiency equivalent of the spinal tap "this one goes to 11" quote.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 month ago (7 children)

My autistic ass can't comprehend why anyone would want to arrange a prime number in a square pattern...

[–] SirActionSack@aussie.zone 26 points 1 month ago (4 children)

autistic

surprised at people doing weird shit

?????

[–] Hupf@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago

LOL'ed, but also

experiencing the human condition

surprised at people doing weird shit

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

I mean, the actual answer is severalfold: "sometimes, when you need to fill a space, you don't end up with simple compound numbers of identical packages" is one, but really, it's a problem in mathematics which, were we to have a general solution to find the most efficient method of packing n objects with identical properties into the smallest area, we would be able to more effectively predict natural structures, including predicting things like protein folding, which is a huge area of medical research. Simple, seemingly inapplicable cases can often be generalised to more specific cases, and that's how you get the entire field of applied math, as well as most of scientific and engineering modeling

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 month ago

Even when it can't be generalized, you still often learn something by trying. You may invent a new way to look at a set of problems that no one's done before, or you may find a solution to something totally unrelated. There's a lot to learn even when it looks like you'll gain nothing.

load more comments (8 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

For 25 squares of size 1x1 you'd need a square of size 5x5. The square into which 17 1x1 squares fit is smaller than 5x5, so you can't fit 25 squares into it.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] forestbeasts@pawb.social 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it's not at all an optimal waffle. It's more a cool math meme waffle. ;3

-- Frost

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You can't fit 25 squares into a square 4.675x bigger unless you make them smaller. Yes, that will increase the volume available for syrup.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 25 points 1 month ago

Thank you I was very lost lmao

[–] red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Isn't this only true if the outer square's size is not an integer multiple of the inner square's size? Meaning, if you have to do this to your waffle iron, you simply chose the dimensions poorly.

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 127 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] blx@piefed.zip 27 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I wonder how many people would have understood both references just a few years ago. Yet today, not only someone made a meme out of this, but it also gets a good deal of updates. That's the internet culture I love!

load more comments (8 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This makes me so angry for reasons I can’t articulate

[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

This actually makes me unreasonably happy, kinda like knowing the secrets of the number 37, which is coincidentally your current number of upvotes.

[–] morto@piefed.social 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] sepi@piefed.social 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Now its more than 42. How do you feel about being wrong on the internet, genius?

load more comments (3 replies)
load more comments (2 replies)
[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 57 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Oh my God, I fucking love this. I mean, I absolutely hate that this is the optimal way to pack 17 squares into a larger square such that the size of the larger square is minimised. However, I love that someone went to the effort of making a waffle iron plate for this. High effort shitposts like this give me life

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 35 points 1 month ago (7 children)

How inefficient, I could fit 100 squares in there easily.

[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Right? Wake me up when we reach a 7 nm lithographic waffle process.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (9 children)
[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Where does this picture come from? Is it real? Ive just thought at how absurd an orangutan on a bike chasing a kid actually is.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (8 replies)
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago
[–] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Im a dipper. You put the syrup where you want it yourself. Do not rely on some fancy designed skillet to feed you the way you deserve.

[–] waldfee@feddit.org 21 points 1 month ago
[–] sqw@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

wanna maximize syrup? just make it a giant one-square cup.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

Mathematicians: makes something with zero practical applications

Waffles:

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It's only more efficient when the containing square is large enough that there would be wasted space on the edges if the inner squares were lined up as a grid. The outer square of the waffle iron is almost but not quite large enough to fit a 4x5 grid. People losing their minds over this weird configuration being "more efficient" think it's because it's more efficient than a grid where all the space is used, which is not what this would be.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] StellarExtract@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] y0kai@anarchist.nexus 11 points 1 month ago

no this is a gain

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure that waffle could easily fit 5 rows of 5, am I crazy?

It's still funny

load more comments (1 replies)

To be honest I would love a waffle maker like this where some parts of the waffle are a little undercooked and other parts crispy.

Thanks, I hate it!

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am sad because these squares look very out of place, unlike hexagons which are beautiful and perfect and never cause problems whatsoever, ever ever!

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Pfft, let me know when “Big Waffle” develops its own proprietary 6-nanometer syrup squares. Until then I will defer to the Belgians and their superior waffle technology.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Those fat Belgian waffles have nothing on the Dutch stroopwafel technology coming out of asml

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I forget what this shape is actually a solution for but it is very funny

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Deconceptualist@leminal.space 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

About damn time.

#WaffleOptimizationCrew

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago
load more comments
view more: next ›