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Ahoy mateys!
A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.
Feddit.org's explanation for this situation seems to fit into a few common variations:
But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel's ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. As such, I am calling for feddit.org to:
Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.
As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again.
I've also pulled out some choice morsels from the modlog to illustrate the sort of thing we are talking about:
This one says it all... mrdown@lemmy.world being banned for calling out feddit.org users for being Zionist apologists. It's apparently "xenophobic" to state a few hard truths.
If you have had similar experiences on feddit.org, please feel free to share in the comments.
I am proposing to ban the following communities from feddit.org, which seem to be the most problematic communities in terms of hosting pro-Zionist posts/comments:
Upvote this post if you want dbzer0 / anarchist nexus to ban these communities.
Downvote this post if you'd prefer not to ban these communities.
Note 1: Votes from external instances do not count, unless one of our admins has vouched for you.
Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that's the better option, then we'll do that instead.
Note 3: Although I don't really expect this to happen, if feddit.org agrees to make policy changes to address these issues then we are willing to reassess the situation.
Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/flatworm7591 
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NZS FCK OFF
ZIOS FCK OFF
I didn't notice the instances but did run across a number of genocide deniers counter accusing everyone of being bigoted just the other day. Then playing victim when called on it, as usual. On reddit calling them on it means reddit will violate your account on unrelated posts that aren't against the rules in short order, I noticed a pattern. You can't back and forth with the influence agent accounts on reddit.
Anyway the one I talked to yesterday sure looked like an influence agent and there was a group, and a larger bloc of votes with them. I suspect government sponsored fuckery, mechanized troll divisions slumming it down on lemmy here, because somehow our leaders are more concerned with Israel having unqualified support than they are about the countries they supposedly represent. Might have something to do with them and their monied donors fucking children at epstein's place that they have videos of.
That and all of our leaders are nihlistic, they believe in nothing other than self. There is nothing they wouldn't support if it was in their interests to do. They would sell their own village out to a company poisoning their water and air if it served them. And because of all the child fucking support for Israel amongst the elite in the west, those sold out politicians naturally support them.
Ban zionist existence!
our anti-zionism rule follows the same fallacy, as anti-semitism laws in many european did: it is too narrow and too broad at the same time.
it is too broad in a sense that we talked about banning problematic users. now we talk about banning communities, which cover much of a language. dach is a big collection bucket for europeans speaking german. in their sidebar they mention, that they want to keep palestine / israel discussions out of the comm - which is fair play IMO.
it is too narrow in a sense, that it is hyper focussed on one issue. zionists are bad and commit atrocities, which need to be harshly reprehended. but there are many bad things, which do not get caught by this rule. as an example: what happens to the uyghur population in china is simply not ok. still .ml is an instance, which quite openly denies that anything even happens. yet we are not discussing banning accounts and or communities, which do these things.
i would much rather have an anti-discrimination rule, which covers zionism, racism, sexism, discrimination on hair colour, medical things, ... this rule should also define what actions we can and want to take again who and what.
this would cover more problems, while not excluding anyone. hopefully also reduce needed arguments.
Can you provide some backup on the claim that .ml denies anything happened to the Uygur population in China? I’m not trying to be annoying just genuinely curious. How does .ml have the ability to deny anything, do you mean its mods, admins or users?
I often see similar sentiment to yours but I genuinely have never encountered any example of this happening at all.
I think there is a world of difference between denying anything happened and saying that the US pays millions of dollars a year to spread misinformation about China which includes propaganda about the treatment of Uygurs.
The latter does not mean that every story about Uygurs in China is a lie, but it means that we should be extremely careful about what news about China we repeat, and that we should always look for proof to claims that are made by NED funded news agencies.
Death to zionists!
Fuck feddit.org for allowing these fascists.
Oooh they're German? say no more.
Just want to point out that in my experience, outside Germans the "Euro" public are generally against what Israel has been doing in Palestine. Those more politically aware who know what that is are against Zionism explicitly.
The exception is of course for the Far-Right types who, of course, love the whole white-colonialist thing.
IMHO:
Germany has massive issues with still holding hard to the mental framework from the "good old days" were people are just deemed members of etnic groups based on things they were born with, and are treated above all based on the ethnic group they "belong to", rather than Modern Humanism were people's deserved treatment is based on their need and their actions.
Because of this profoundly backwards Prejudiced and Racist foundational element of moral thinking widespread in German, it was a lot easier for the ethno-Fascist Zionists to subvert guilt in Germany into support for Zionism and the Zionist Genocide, as well as cultivating Islamophobia.
The same backwards moral fundational element also explains the ease of expansion of AfD and their ideology in Germany.
Not to say other countries in Europe don't have Prejudice, Racism or even support for 19th century style white-colonialism, just saying that Germany seems to have a far more insidious problem than most in that regards due to this specific foundational piece having been repeatedly reinforced in the broad political discourse in Germany even while in other countries in Europe openly singling out people's ethnicity and demanding ethnically-discriminatory treatment (either "positive" or negative) was frowned upon.
Just want to point out that I don't at all think all Germans are like this.
Not even close.
My point is that this kind of thinking is more widespread and normalized in Germany, were it's constantly pushed by the Press and Politicians of most colors (which is why even the Greens were pro-Israel during the worst of the Genocide in Gaza)
I live in germany. The stickers I see are "bring them back home", "never again" with some AI slop of a young redhead in prison looking at an old person through bars both in striped prison suits clearly an allusion to the jews murdered in the holocaust, FCK HMS and some other assorted pro-pissraeli ones. I don't think I have seen even one in support of Palestine. Ever. In the past years, it's always been like this. I am never giving germans the benefit of the doubt and I am born one. There is centuries worth of history to back me up on this. The whole denazification was a sham, Death to Israel includes Death to Germany. Morgenthau was right.
I don’t want to discount anything you’re saying since I think you’re super right. But I have seen a few stickers in support of Palestine in Germany. Very different from where I live though where almost every corner of every street has either graffiti or stickers in support of Palestine.
Ok yeah sorry i have seen some graffiti that's true. In migrant heavy areas. I don't want to give too much of my location away but the areas I regularly go to are populated by the gentrifying left. They're plastered in stickers but never pro-palestinian ones.
Makes sense! I just think it shows how repressed Palestinians and muslim migrants are in Germany. They are many but they can’t do anything without mass organizing because of the extremely zionist ‘justice’ system.
