the Tweet itself doesn’t show anything genocidal.
Nobody said it's genocidal.
Have you ever been to 4chan?
there was nothing wrong with the Tweet itself
If you deny all of the context and the intent behind it, sure.
there’s no relation to any dogwhistling
To deny even accidental resemblance of your title with a fascist dogwhistle is flat‐eartherism that I won't waste time arguing against.
All of the feddit.org criticism came from “Israel = Jews and therefore making a generalizing claim about Israelis = antisemitic”.
No, the criticism came from noticing the fascist dogwhistle (even if accidental) in line with the typical fascist format of the tweet. The meaning of the phrase/dogwhistle was problematised by at least one commenter before me, so you're lying on that count.
you’re saying that we should overlook the actions of the first kind of anti-semite, by claiming that in us doing otherwise would weaken efforts against the second kind of anti-semite
No, i'm not saying that. I described what I saw and what I roughly concluded. What you're ascribing to me is far beyond my current considerations.
You are expected to provide some proof of your claims
Are we on Wikipedia or in the court, perhaps? No, this is just a forum. You only had to ask and I would post the screenshots. It is quite obvious why I didn't post them initially (if the thread was still up I'd have linked it) - they're large and would probably detract from the point, like I'm still arguing with the guy from .ml instead of talking about a somewhat different matter here.
It is clear you don’t have a very full or complete picture of the Feddit situation
I've read the OP text and some of the comments. So you're effectively agreeing that all of this still doesn't provide a very full picture. Apparently I had to interact with Feddit users elsewhere enough to come to your conclusions. But I didn't, so the reasonable thing to do for me for now is to stay by my vote "against", because I can't make conclusions based on things I don't know about.
I said what I saw and how I made my conclusions based on that. I asked you for your definition of zionism, to try to figure out what exactly is the problem with the screenshot you posted and to understand your viewpoint better in general, but you haven't provided it yet. It seems you're expecting me to read minds and/or spontaneously agree with you even while you're insulting me. I can't do that.
If you think Feddit being critical of real antisemitism means they have a point when dismissing anti-Zionists as antisemitic bigots, you will again find very little agreement here.
And that's reasonable, those are two different things indeed, and I hope I haven't conflated them.
So OP posted a dozen examples, and you think they're not sufficient by themselves, and instead have to bring up an another screenshot? That's just solidifying my point.
What definition of zionism do you work with?
What is "whataboutism" here anyway? I'm talking about how people perceive and judge feddit users' comments, which has veered into blanket dismissal of their comments even when objectively justified. That's why I brought up the situation.
Edit: No links, screenshots, or modlog info on the subject at hand. For all we know this story about a fascist ml user could be made up to apologize for Feddit. Fuck off dude.
Well fuck you too, asshole, have you considered asking me for the links and screenshots before telling me to fuck off? I didn't post them originally because they weren't crucial to my observations. Aren't my own comments still visible on my profile, couldn't you just check there? There will be nothing in the modlog because the user deleted the thread themselves. But here are the screenshots of my own replies and two replies that I still have in my notifications, as the rest is now unavailable:
The OP posted a screenshot of the fascist antisemitic tweet that was also posted to 4chan's /pol/ with a similar caption, you can see it there in the archive that I linked. The title of the Lemmy thread was "Every time".
Just yesterday I had an odd interaction with an .ml user who reposted a straight-up nazi tweet, by a nazi profile, even with their own thread title resembling a frequent nazi dogwhistle. Several non-.ml users, apparently mostly from feddit, pointed out the post looks like it was posted by a nazi. .ml users responded in part by attacking their instance allegiance (calling them "whingy fedditers"). Since I posted enough clear evidence of the Twitter profile being a fascist, OP commendably deleted their thread.
What I saw there is feddit users being met with a hate boner from .ml and their correct suspicions of a tweet that looks antisemitic indeed being antisemitic being ignored and made light of.
That's my personal experience with feddit and its zionism, and consequently I've ended up suspicious of some of Lemmy users' standards regarding this whole matter.
The examples of feddit moderation posted here in OP are almost entirely sanctions against grave personal attacks. I am completely unconvinced that this is proof of the moderators' zionist positions. "Fuck you, you piece of trash" and "fuck you and your whole family" is not "a few hard truths". I'm also unsure if I get the context right, is mrdown a Palestinian? Many of those comments break the most elementary civility standards and verge into murderous fantasies.
Calling for the destruction of Israel must obviously mean you want to kill every last man, woman and child, rather than simply wanting to overthrow Netanyahu’s genocidal fascist regime.
Then say it like that? No, destroying a country is not the same as overthrowing its regime, those are different things. I support the latter with regards to Israel, but would hardly dare say the former.
This post was supposed to convince me feddit's behaviour is problematic. I come away with the opposite impression. So, I vote against the bans.
Yep. W40k may or may not say something about someone's politics, but the whole combination in the pic is just too much (greentext, "@ImperiumFirst", it's da joos). To dispel any doubt, check his feed: https://xcancel.com/imperiumfirst
On a site whose algorithm likely pushes fascist content it's nothing surprising that two people would come across a popular fascist post.
and I’ve never seen it
I'm not saying you've seen the thread on /pol/ (I found it by searching for the dogwhistle "every single time"), but it's, uh, strange that your post could be replaced with the one from /pol/ and vice versa and they would function the same on both a fascist and on a Marxist-Leninist(?) forum.
I think that the user ImperiumFirst whose banner is this:
and who describes himself as "Political Extremist | America First | Christ is King ✝️", and whose pinned tweet is praising Kanye West for using a swastika, and whose feed is currently filled with Nick Fuentes videos...
...is in fact a fascist and probably a /pol/ user.
Do you follow that guy? Or did the site correctly assume you'd like his tweet?
And yes, the wording, that you're acting is completely neutral, is indeed regularly used by fascists "just noticing" Jewish undermining of the White race, even by the very same profile here:
For a supposed Marxist, you're oddly oblivious to fascist iconography and memes, and uncritical of the content served to you by a fascist-owned website.
Yeah, just w40k and nothing else. 🙄
For a start, read the username of the guy whose tweet OP posted.
A screenshot of Twitter, a site owned by a fascist and populated by fascists, of a tweet by a user called, ahem, "ImperiumFirst", posting in greentext format (which admittedly doesn't have to mean much by itself), with OP's own title being "Every time"... Why does this post feel like it's copy-pasted from /pol/? 🤔
(the painting is: Adoration of the Kings, by Rogier van der Weyden)
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Nazis aren't defined or recognised just by open calls for genocide. Building suspicion of and hatred of Jews is also a commonplace activity.
That makes sense, because if you did the tweet would be a red flag.