MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
What is a Tankie?
Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.
(caution of biased source)
Basic Rules:
Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.
Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.
Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.
Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.
Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.
Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.
You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.
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Head Lemmy dev, main lemmy.ml admin, dessalines on the "DPRK is actually Good!" bent again
(lemmy.world)
I expect @PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social to be banned here shortly LMAO
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Good job everyone blocking and boycotting .ml! It's having an effect, users are noticing and MAUs on their comms are falling!
And for anyone asking "Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?" Here's a quick recap:
Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it's off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).
If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the "Tankie Triad" (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they've positioned lemmy.ml as the "flagship" instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.
Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse's overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that "They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit"
I don't know about you, but I'd prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse "Voat 2.0".
So if you haven't joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!
You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation
On bans and censorships:
https://lemmy.world/post/32222856
https://lemmy.world/post/32058315
https://lemmy.world/post/32191006
https://lemmy.world/post/32298242
https://lemmy.world/post/32292143
https://lemmy.world/post/32221990
https://lemmy.world/post/32222278
https://lemmy.world/post/32222991
https://lemmy.world/post/32223697
https://lemmy.world/post/32224698
https://lemmy.world/post/31569892
https://lemmy.world/post/31368129
https://lemmy.world/post/31329952
https://lemmy.world/post/31596159
https://lemmy.world/post/30665418
https://lemmy.world/post/30876228
https://lemmy.world/post/31090903
https://lemmy.world/post/31329952
https://lemmy.world/post/31368129
https://lemmy.world/post/29490804
https://lemmy.world/post/29507466
https://lemmy.world/post/29878102
https://lemmy.world/post/29980157
https://lemmy.world/post/28480760
https://lemmy.world/post/28481615
https://lemmy.world/post/28482147
https://lemmy.world/post/28480936
https://lemmy.world/post/28482273
https://lemmy.world/post/28481272
https://lemmy.world/post/28481064
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/32283425
https://lemmy.world/post/32289824
https://lemmy.world/post/30843744
https://lemmy.world/post/28275465
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
"NK is actually good, and anything counter to that is Western LIES" ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
"concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad" https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
"The China censorship tool isnt actually censorship! And if it is, it's actually a good thing a state has that much power!" ~Tankies of .ml https://lemmy.world/post/30010789
Rooting for Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war https://lemmy.world/post/29274763
Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558
Update 6/1/2025 - adding additional links since original post
Update 6/14/2025 - adding additional links since last edit
Update 6/19/2025 - adding additional links since last edit
Update 6/30/2025 - adding additional links since last edit
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Lead Lemmy Developer, Dessalines, denying the Tiananmen Square Massacre and praising the Uyghur Genocide
(sh.itjust.works)
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Not a very good post on my part, I must admit.
That being said I am Ukrainian (from Lugansk no less). I very much believe what I said and I do hope one day the tankies (and Dessalines specifically) meet the same fate as what they wish on me, my family and my fellow citizens.
This was motivated by their celebration of the occupation of Lugansk.
I hate their guts (and the russians too of course; I am not a believer in russian victimhood narratives, a wealth of research shows that an overwhelming majority support genocidal imperialism). Disgusting scum stuffing their mouths with American fast food, while cheering for russian genocidal imperialism.
Apologies in advance.
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Truly living up to their tankie label.
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This is the kind of content the .ml admins cultivate through their bans and censorship. They'll frequently remove articles from credible good sources that directly go against their narratives, while allowing misinformation and conspiracy websites to include RT, Sputnik and (as shown) random substack blogs as long as they tow the narratives that align with them.
E.g. Ukraine is a Nazi regime and Russia is just "liberating" the Ukrainian people
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He also is a journalist, author, and filmmaker who is a regular contributor to the Questionable Russian news sites, RT and Sputnik
Lol, lmao even
This content is regularly posted to .ml world "news" a long with other straight propaganda and conspiracy websites. It's the exact kind of content .ml admins @dessalines@lemmy.ml and @davel@lemmy.ml want to propagate and spread while suppressing credible articles critical of their favored regimes, such as Russia.
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Source: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?community=65904
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"Don't question our Russian talking points on NATO! That's a BAN!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev
(lemmy.world)
Source: https://lemmy.world/comment/17970472
Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?=&community=13&user=14331335
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Oh yea, def totally legit looking LMAO
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And for the record, there was nothing even remotely racist in my comment. Dessalines just can't accept being wrong. 🤷🏻♀️
UPDATE : I am (almost) sad to report the ban only extends to memes@lemmy.ml !
Also, I found the original comment, here it is (and if you see what's racist about it, please tell me, I'm open to being wrong about this, although I really doubt it) :
( Update 2 : cropped the second image properly )
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"How dare you call us Tankies for our praise of NK! BAN!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev
(lemmy.world)
Source: https://lemmy.world/comment/17943553
Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?community=13&user=1094269
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"How dare you call out one of our glorious posters! That's a BAN!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev
(lemmy.world)
Source: https://feddit.uk/comment/18369197
Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?community=13&user=64939
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"No comrade, it is YOU who will be banned for calling out our Russian shills!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev
(lemmy.world)
Source: https://lemmy.world/comment/17943959
Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?community=13&user=8784531
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"Listing the bad things of China? THATS RACISM! BAN!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev
(lemmy.world)
Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?community=13&user=15643970
Source: https://jlai.lu/comment/15324730
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"Call out that one of our brethren is posting RT‽ That's a CENSORING!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev
(lemmy.world)
Source: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/19467803
Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?community=13&user=7069675
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Source: https://lemmings.world/comment/16555056
Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?community=13&user=4986183
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"China participating in genocide and censorship‽ Preposterous! That's racism! BAN!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev
(lemmy.world)
Source: https://lemmy.ca/comment/17463493
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"Calling out Russian propaganda outlets?? That's a censoring" ~dessalines, .ml admin, head Lemmy dev
(lemmy.world)
Source: https://lemmy.world/post/32150278/17932504
Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?=&community=32&user=13232573
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Modlog: https://photon.lemmy.world/modlog?user=13499225&community=13
Source: https://lemmy.world/post/32000211/17891537
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