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Meanwhile On Grad


Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!


What is a Tankie?


Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.

(caution of biased source)


Basic Rules:

Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.

Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia(Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether it be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.

Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users, as it handwaves their extremism.

Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post, rather than engaging in arguments that lack mutual agreement.

Brigading/Trolling — If you're here because this community was linked in another thread, please refrain from maliciously voting, commenting, or manipulating the post in any way. This includes alt accounts. All votes are public, and if you are found to be brigading, you will be banned. Good-faith and honest communication is an exception.

Tankies can explain their views, but may be criticised or challenged for them. Any minor infraction of the rules may result in a warning and possibly a temporary ban.

You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically last only 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction doubles the duration. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.


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I expect @PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social to be banned here shortly LMAO

Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance!

And consider donating to individual instances instead

Edit: Not even 30 minutes later lol

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2025-22-08: Due to a (suspected .ml) troll spamming the comment section, you'll now need to sort the comments by "Top" to see the actual comments from users on this post.

Good job everyone blocking and boycotting .ml! It's having an effect, users are noticing and MAUs on their comms are falling!

And for anyone asking "Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?" Here's a quick recap:

Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it's off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).

If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the "Tankie Triad" (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they've positioned lemmy.ml as the "flagship" instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.

Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse's overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that "They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit"

I don't know about you, but I'd prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse "Voat 2.0".

So if you haven't joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!

You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation

Noteworthy Selection

Full collection list at the end

Dessalines - Head .ml admin - Head Lemmy Dev

"Slava Ukraini" is considered a "Fascist slogan" - https://lemmy.world/post/36065538

"NK is actually good, and anything counter to that is Western LIES" - https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

"The BBC is not a credible news source" - https://lemmy.world/post/35824465

Showing support for Ukraine on .ml is worthy of a site ban - https://lemmy.world/post/32775563

Open declaration of support for Russia - https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! - https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

Censoring criticism of China while allowing fellow "in-crowd" user "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad" misinfo to remain - https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

Censoring when users call out propaganda - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

Discussing winnie the pooh and/or the negatives of china is a 30 day ban - https://lemmy.world/post/35374967

Davel - .ml admin

Spreading anti-ukraine Russian propaganda - https://lemmy.world/post/34655572

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet - https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" - https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

Response to a valid report of "NK is actually good" as propaganda/misinfo https://lemmy.world/post/32627834

Removal of a credible article that was on the Uyghur genocide - https://lemmy.world/post/33205310

It's totally fine when Russia kills woman and children, war is war after all - https://lemmy.world/post/33224299

Nutomic - 2nd in command Lemmy Dev

Their continued transphobia - https://lemmy.world/post/29222558

General Tankie user behaviour

"Propaganda is good actually" - https://lemmy.world/post/36162233

"The China censorship tool isnt actually censorship! And if it is, it's actually a good thing a state has that much power!" https://lemmy.world/post/30010789

Rooting for Russia in the Russia-Ukraine war https://lemmy.world/post/29274763

Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

Biden is worse than Trump - https://lemmy.world/post/33631617

Uyghur Genocide denialism - https://lemmy.world/post/33873969

Full Collection

Evidence of bans, censorship and bias to push their 'ideology'

https://lemmy.world/post/34395059

https://lemmy.world/post/32720369

https://lemmy.world/post/32298242

https://lemmy.world/post/32471440

https://lemmy.world/post/35919522

https://lemmy.world/post/32292143

https://lemmy.world/post/35254858

https://lemmy.world/post/32222856

https://lemmy.world/post/32426343

https://lemmy.world/post/32058315

https://lemmy.world/post/35919814

https://lemmy.world/post/32775892

https://lemmy.world/post/33554899

https://lemmy.world/post/33194656

https://lemmy.world/post/34502019

https://lemmy.world/post/34502777

https://lemmy.world/post/34503244

https://lemmy.world/post/35919218

https://lemmy.world/post/36120253

https://lemmy.world/post/36120386

https://lemmy.world/post/32825174

https://lemmy.world/post/32426884

https://lemmy.world/post/32191006

https://lemmy.world/post/32720652

https://lemmy.world/post/32676095

https://lemmy.world/post/32298242

https://lemmy.world/post/32292143

https://lemmy.world/post/32221990

https://lemmy.world/post/32222278

https://lemmy.world/post/32222991

https://lemmy.world/post/32223697

https://lemmy.world/post/32224698

https://lemmy.world/post/32425984

https://lemmy.world/post/31569892

https://lemmy.world/post/31368129

https://lemmy.world/post/31329952

https://lemmy.world/post/31596159

https://lemmy.world/post/30665418

https://lemmy.world/post/30876228

https://lemmy.world/post/31090903

https://lemmy.world/post/31329952

https://lemmy.world/post/31368129

https://lemmy.world/post/29490804

https://lemmy.world/post/29507466

https://lemmy.world/post/29878102

https://lemmy.world/post/29980157

https://lemm.ee/post/65494823

https://lemmy.world/post/28480760

https://lemmy.world/post/28481615

https://lemmy.world/post/28482147

https://lemmy.world/post/28480936

https://lemmy.world/post/28482273

https://lemmy.world/post/28481272

https://lemmy.world/post/28481064

https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

Allowing known propaganda outlets, altered headlines and general misinfo tactics

https://lemmy.world/post/32764202

https://lemmy.world/post/32323822

https://lemmy.world/post/32283425

https://lemmy.world/post/32289824

https://lemmy.world/post/32337368

https://lemmy.world/post/30843744

https://lemmy.world/post/28275465

https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

https://lemmy.world/post/27288953


Why am I cross-posting .ml content? And account listing used for it

Why am I cross-posting .ml content?

I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to help vitilize non-.ml comms and make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don't want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some active niche comms.

Megathread on the issue

Some highlights from the link:

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068

"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can't even put them all here because this comment would be really long.

I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda

On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like "Lemmy? Isn't that the place with a bunch of tankies?" Or "Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left". The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.

cm0002 account listing used for crosspostingHere I'll list all the accounts that I use for this crossposting or hybrid organic/cross-posting.

@cm0002@suppo.fi
@cm0002@infosec.pub
@cm0002@mander.xyz
@cm0002@libretechni.ca
@cm0002@digipres.cafe
@cm0002@literature.cafe
@cm0002@toast.ooo
@cm0002@ttrpg.network
@cm0002@europe.pub
@cm0002@no.lastname.nz
@cm0002@lemmings.world
@cm0002@futurology.today
@cm0002@lemdro.id
@cm0002@lemy.lol
@cm0002@ani.social


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Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance! To make this easy you can do an instance block at Settings > Block Tab > Scroll to bottom > Input "lemmy.ml" and apply

And consider donating to individual instances instead.

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ThumbnailThumbnail is from the Bohemian Rhapsody movie where multiple scenes depicting same sex relations were removed by the Chinese government

Their historic figures and modern anti-Western states they so vehemently defend all have abysmal, actively hostile records and attitudes regarding LGBTQ+ rights and representation, with prosecution and state-sanctioned execution.

Their modern "anti-imperialist" states, which they frequently defend and look up to as bastions of their takes, are all steeped in state-sanctioned homophobia and illegality of queer identities. 

  • China: The government systematically censors LGBTQ+ representation in media (check the thumbnail spoiler above) and shuts down queer NGOs, framing them as "foreign influences." Same-sex couples are denied legal recognition, marriage, and adoption rights. The government actively censors people who openly discuss and advocate for the lack of rights and recognition for LGBTQ+ communities, not even allowing depictions of gay relationships in their media. 

  • Russia: The State has explicitly outlawed the "international LGBT movement" by classifying it as an extremist organisation. Expressing queer identity publicly or portraying it positively in media is illegal and heavily penalised. There are gay people who are beaten in the street who dare hold hands with each other, afforded no protection or rights. They don't allow marriage or gender identity. 

  • Iran and Hamas: Here the situation is lethal, where under these regimes, homosexuality is criminalised and punishable by imprisonment, torture and even state-sanctioned executions. 

Then you have Marxist-Leninist figures, the architects and leaders, who were just as hostile to queer identity and LGBTQ people, calling being gay a Western deviancy and sending them to camps or killing them. 

  • You have Stalin, who reversed the decriminalisation of homosexuality after the revolution, recriminalising it and calling it a symptom of bourgeois decadence and fascist depravity, where if you were openly gay, you were at risk of being sent to gulags or killed. 

  • Mao Zedong heavily persecuted homosexuality during the Cultural Revolution, wherein later the State punished gay individuals under vague criminal charges of hooliganism and treating homosexuality as a mental illness by Western Capitalism. 

  • Fidel Castro, of course, said that "a homosexual cannot be a revolutionary." And his government subsequently rounded up gay men to send them to labour camps, and otherwise viewed queer identities as unfit for socialist society. 

  • Friedrich Engels mocked homosexual rights, calling its subjects "extremely against nature" and dismissing gay rights as "turning smut into theory." Marx received and circulated the letter without objection.

And then you have something much more local: Lemmy Developer, Nutomic, with their own moment: "The transgender topic is clearly promoted by the bourgeoisie, going as far as putting lgbt flags on government buildings, or allowing biological men to compete in women's sports at the Olympics."

Given all this, why would any queer person align themselves with an ideology whose foundational leaders persecuted them, and whose modern bastions or allies actively seek to erase them? 

Note: This post is not defending Capitalism, or attacking Communism. 

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Y'all remember that meme about leftists caring about human rights issues and tankies countering that with nothing other than "that's CIA propaganda"? Well, someone reposted it in the hexbear slop comm. All I commented was "ITT: Insults, putdowns and whataboutisms". Well, now I'm banned from a whole range of Hexbear comms permanently. Reason:

Rule 1: All posts must include links to the subject matter, and no identifying information should be redacted.

Lol.

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Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance! To make this easy you can do an instance block at Settings > Block Tab > Scroll to bottom > Input "lemmy.ml" and apply

And consider donating to individual instances instead.

Check the megathread for more!

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Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance! To make this easy you can do an instance block at Settings > Block Tab > Scroll to bottom > Input "lemmy.ml" and apply

And consider donating to individual instances instead.

Check the megathread for more!

@Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world

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Connect usefully takes forever to federate so you can see what was written

apparently pointing out Russia started the war is Apologia

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/?srsltid=AfmBOoqzjjecu1HVUws3eZiIqCEN_Bz9JhYOuXTvrwnYSL5CtvrT7WUv

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Long accepted historical facts are misinformation. Wikipedia is imperialist propaganda. Stalin was a good guy. Don't you dare mention that he had defectors who tried to warn him about Hitler's invasion executed for their trouble. That's an inconvenient historical fact, so it's fake news.

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A Comedy in Three Acts

1. "USA did nothing in WW2, look at Stalin's sexy tanks. No I don't want to cite my charts or talk about why logistics is important for winning wars"


2. "Stop making us think about our propaganda"


3. Gloating in DMs (there's nothing a Stalinist likes more than suppressing critics)

You couldn't ask for a better example of the cold war tankie mindset. C'est magnifique 🤌

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Comment above is from Hexbear

Probably the comment from this comm Tommy is talking about:

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Link to original comment from Eldritch: https://piefed.world/comment/6380635

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Post examples in comments.

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What a surprise.

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Snowflake behaviour to be sure.

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Just fascists with socialist aesthetics mad that fascists are coopting socialist aesthetics

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Turns out protecting your favourite dictator takes priority over resisting capitalism.

Original post: https://lemmy.world/post/50296041

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