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Mf didnt even mention Israel ffs.

Literally NIMBY fascists

The worst crime trump did to them was ruin the vibes for brunch. Libs gotta get the guillotine.

Okay but can they at least live up to the name and be a bit moderate about it??

It really is. I've been at this for a long time and I tend to go yell at the libs to blow off steam. Idk if that's actually a good thing or not but it's an outlet and maybe it contributes to something positive in some small way. But it's really just me yelling into the (political) void so I can have a pressure release valve - I'm not gonna pretend like it's some noble crusade.

It's wild that I called it and said that they'd vote for the 50% holocaust and directly after they're saying "it's a spectrum" and "the democrats are a few notches below." I swear they don't actually engage with the substance of an argument before they trot out their talking points because I'd be mortified to make an argument like that right after a comment with that 50% line.

They are goosestepping all the way to hell.

Were you born with Capital in your hands? I know most of us weren't. Viewing libs as fundamentally children is counter-productive to any political project that extends beyond being smug at how you supposedly stand above the herd.

Obligatory: https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

It was snarky of me but in response to that part I said that they are probably older than DHS, and thus ICE and CBP. Then I asked if they remember how the US ever managed to survive this era of open border policy for the majority of its existence.

Point being that if someone is gonna be real disingenuous with me then I'm comfortable matching their energy and calling them out on their ahistorical take while using their own framing against them - either they eat shit and they admit that the US survived just fine without DHS (and that the dichotomy between open borders and the existence of ICE is completely false) or they agree with their initial premise and acknowledge that the US both had an open borders policy for most of its existence (lol) and that it survived just fine, thus undermining their initial premise in defence of the "necessity" of ICE.

Either way, they're completely snookered in their argument.

Usually with this sort of gambit they are at least vaguely aware of the jaws closing in around them and they shift to insults or special pleading or redefining words but you'd be surprised at how common it is for them to double down and argue that the US had open borders or that it only worked became of some imaginary cause, like the New Deal or low housing prices or some shit. They usually go quiet when I hit back with "And what about before FDR?" or something like that. (Obviously this is just an example but it's fun to respond to ahistorical, logically inconsistent takes like that by agreeing with the premise and doing a little judo with it. Idk if it's any more effective than just yelling at them or quoting historical facts at them but I do feel like it might be.)

They mean open borders between what they perceive as white and culturally harmonious states through schengen. Unlike Mexico and the US which is according to them barbarism vs civilisation.

"Fascism" doesn't mean anything to them. It just means "bad guy." They aren't bad guys, they are good guys, so they don't like bad guys. That's it. It's a child's understanding of the world.

It’s like the final boss of whatever curse we unlocked by whitewashing the crimes of the Wehrmacht in order to staff West Germany/NATO, this is that exact imperial boomerang ricocheting off our domes right now

Anti fascism is just a cool label for them to wear that doesn’t have a real meaning to them.

I like this angle.

You know, sometimes when a progressive Yankee starts defending the most disgusting things I'll really lean into it and say shit like "As a staunch opponent of the United States who believes that the world can only ever truly be free once the US is destroyed, I appreciate your efforts in defending ICE because it's the most effective way to push your country into civil war and thus its eventual destruction so I want to thank you for all your efforts and I wish you the best of luck."

I'm not sure what they make of a reply like that because I think it throws them off balance. They probably just assume that it's a bit but, in all honesty, there's a lot of truth to it. I don't actually want to see the US descend into civil war because odds are it will turn fascist and it will grind a whole lot of people up in the death machine in the process but also it feels impossible to reason with these people and maybe me cheering on their efforts because I'm eager to see the destruction of the US will jolt them out of it and make them reflect on what they're arguing for?

I'd believe it. As fucked as UK politics are, at least there's a collapse in support for Labour and I'd hope that progressives are at least somewhat reasonable. Although you've got a whole lot of Reform supporters too so it seems like a minefield over there (and that's without even mentioning the background radiation of TERF shit that's off the scales.)