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All resigning does is let them easily replace you with someone that agrees with them.
If you think you need to resign, stay and make them go thru the hassle of firing you. Drag it out, file complaints, get the union.
Even if it's the same result a year later, that's a year without one more maga bootlicker doing your job.
Agreed. It's hard and I get it from a mental health perspective, but the best way to fight them is to make it hard, be annoying, be inconvenient, not just walking away. That's how they win. That's how they stack the department with sycophants and yes-men.
If you don't resign when your job demands you be complicit, at some point you are just following orders.
If you can say “I resign” you can say “this is illegal and I’m not complying”.
Yeah I wouldn’t work under questionable and actively disingenuous leadership, especially if they’re also ethically clashing with mine, so I get their reaction extremely well.
I couldn’t do it, so I can’t expect others to, but it’s a sad and bitter fact that it just leaves more room for the rot to fester.
But I personally think that the more the rot spreads, the more immediate the threat will seem to most, the more obvious the need for change, then perhaps that’ll encourage more action elsewhere. At best, the rot spreads too fast for its own good and ultimately kills the host. Once the ship goes down, the people can get together to rebuild. With more safeguards and more robust systems.
I couldn’t do it,
If you can say "I resign" you can say "this is illegal and I'm not complying".
Also, get on the soapbox. Even if you can't apply social pressure, you can at least inform the people.
Resign? How does that help?
"There's a lot of injustice happening here, so let me step aside to allow for more injustice."
I see your point but I would counter with the fact that these are probably all lawyers who know the ins and outs of our justice system better than most people and should they join the ACLU or other organizations that are going to be suing the government over all of the civil rights abuses that they've been perpetrating these people will be invaluable.
Course that's all predicated on our court system not being corrupted before we can put through a regime change in this year's midterm elections. Trump is trying hard to shove in as many friendly judges as he can right now.
we can put through a regime change in this year’s midterm elections
It's incredible how many people still think that this will be a thing.
If Trump is actually able to stop or delay elections this year we have bigger problems.
I don't think you grasp just what it would take to actually stop elections.
I'd argue that you already DO have bigger problems, you just haven't come to terms with it yet.
Doesn't really matter what it would take. His plan is (and always has been) that if anything doesn't go his way, he takes it to the supreme court who he handpicked and has in his pocket. So either:
Trump just gets bolder every time people say "oh we'll get out of this at the midterms." He's laughing at America.
It's infuriating. People are literally laying down and taking it up the ass right now while saying, "it's okay, it'll be fixed a year from now"
The road to facism, paved by resignation.
We are just laying down and taking it
But, if they carried on working wouldn't that make them Nazis?
They have to refuse illegal requests. Refuse to do immoral stuff. They may be fired, but they make a paper trail of why they're being fired and immediately sue.
It's about standing up to the crap and obstructing it. Resigning does nothing.
The road to fascism is paved with resignations.
So they steal the scene evidence, refuse access to it by MN officers, and then refuse to do anything with it because the outcome was a forgone conclusion minutes after it happened when i-barbie, donnie, and vladimir futon all declared Renee a terrorist.
Nothing to see here, totally normal day in a fascist state...
Vladimir Futon.
And they'll be replaced by sycophants and suck-ups, and it will get even worse.
The good news is that many of these attorneys have formed boutique law firms in DC, each one focusing on different court challenges to MAGA policies, and they're succeeding.
So every time they lose knowledgeable, experienced people, we gain strength. Worse for them, they weaken by both the loss, and the increase in their virtuosic incompetence.
Yes, quit. THAT'LL show em.
Cowards.
Here, the safe distance may be Australia.
I like how you wanted them to stay, with its strong "some of you may die, and that's a price I'm willing to pay" vibes.
"Top DOJ officials caved to the slightest pressure, derelicted their duties and handed over their power to the fascist regime. America's dictator will soon appoint more loyalists to their positions."
Yep. I've gotten skewered online for pointing out how these protest resignations do nothing but serves the fascists interests, by opening up the slot to be filled by a loyal SS member.
You're not wrong.
But I've also seen people saying that the government is fascist /Nazi. If you're working for the government (especially somewhere like the DOJ) then that's akin to saying you support the government.
So it's a hard decision to make either way
Everyone is so concerned with the statement they're making and the optics around it.
This is their career. They chose to work in civil rights. They have to go there every day. They have to look at themselves in the mirror at night.
Having personal standards and ethics is a thing to be celebrated, or it used to be. "How dare these people make a personal and professional choice they have to live with that offends my sense of strategy" is not exactly a great perspective.
For sure. And everyone has a different line in the sand.
I'm not trying to say one option is good or bad, because there are merits in both arguments. It's easy to say you'd do this or that when you're spectating. But it's much harder when you're actually doing it.
And for me personally, I think they made the right call. But I'm just a guy sitting at home (who doesn't even live in the states) so who am I to judge them?
And they could have very easily continued to do their job, while maintaining their ethics, and force the state to fire them. Then force the state to explain in court why they were fired.
Instead of just politely stepping out of the way and handing full control over to tyranny.
It is a tradeoff. If they stay where they are, they can slow things down. If they leave and join the good guys, they can help them directly.
Both ways are valuable, but not all people can handle being an infiltrator.
Without complaining and lashing out, is there a benefit from them resigning?
Can't be held liable during the next set of Nuremberg trials?
Well, that's good for them, but what about the American people?
To be fair, the question asked was only, is there a benefit and i did answer that. So, don't go moving the goal posts!
On a serious note, to answer your question briefly as one of those "American people": i do sense a change in the air. I don't think it's a general strike or civil war, but there's definitely people paying attention who hadn't otherwise before. And that engagement? They are pissed.
The long answer is this: Everyone just watched a government agent kill a white mother and then lie about what happened. They see the news coverage spreading that lie. Everyone knows the poem, "First They Came" by Martin Niemöller and with this, they realized we are already 4 lines into it. Racist fucks can't just hand wave this away as a statistic anymore.
And it's not like shit is getting any better for us, it's not like prices are going down! Between the Epstein list shit, Venezuela and Greenland, inflation, shrinkflation, and products being recalled for listeria or lead/metal/glass shavings, now we have masked fat asses terrorizing/killing us then opening lying about it?! And then calling US the terrorists? Nah. That's not even mentioning the absolutely bat shit levels of corruption happening that's practically being admitted to right in the open.
So some good news about us. Something i noticed start in 2020 with covid lock downs was that our culture started to shift towards "homesteading" or trying to make everything yourself, because you knew the quality is better than store bought, and in the majority of cases, cheaper. But recently, people have started to go full in, and i think this is the angle where a general strike can foment from!
People DO NOT want corporate slop anymore. There's a growing want for local businesses, and they will start to come back offering better, locally made items. Sure it'll be a bit more expensive, but the prices for those lower quality goods are going up too.
This is hopefully going to reduce corporate influence and bring communities closer together, since not every individual can make everything they'll ever need. With stronger communities, this "fear of the other" dissipates. I've started to see it in my neighborhood. As word spreads, more people start to see what is happening. I've already been to city and town halls discussing AI data centers and the places are FUCKING PACKED, to the point they move it to larger areas and it's still over flowing out into the halls and parking lots.
We were already banding together, but every one of their fuck ups, brings us even closer together. Just look at those bad asses in PA; the Black Panthers, resurfacing and showing up for their community. More will come.
Tbf its past time for The People to be in the streets on a general strike. The People need to take responsibility and act.
These individuals held out a good while, not sure how much evil they had to do personally on a daily basis.
Should have done it anyway. Make them publicly fire you for investigating the murder of an American citizen in broad daylight.
if the doj won't bring this asshole to justice, i really hope someone else will.
ICE in general should have really wanted the process to play out, or at least delay public reaction.
This just pisses people off, ups the temperature even more, and incites greater risk than just going through an investigation.
Nothing to see here. Move along, please.
Unfortunately, the MAGA crowd won't be excited by this the way that they are currently excited about the Epstein files. Anyone with a single working brain cell, we'll however understand what this means.