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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 24 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Honestly I think it comes from a misunderstanding regarding secondary sources vs primary ones. Wikipedia, as well as encyclopedias and textbooks, are secondary sources. It's not good practice to cite secondary sources without primary ones, but a lot of people (namely, teachers) don't grasp why which leads these sources to get classified as bad.

That, plus Wikipedia is accessible without the usual gatekeeping and money behind what textbooks and encyclopedias have, which adds to the sources "credibility." Money means marketing, including constant email campaigns targeting people like me trying to validate whatever textbook they're peddling. (And in case you wonder if they're evil, they sometimes offer kickbacks to adopt their expensive textbooks for my university classes).

Fedi users already get that, though, as that's a common problem FOSS usually has. Point is, wiki lives in a weird place because no, you shouldn't cite it just like you shouldn't cite textbooks, but yes, it's perfectly valid so long as you check those sources. And, speaking from experience, some students really don't understand as I see citations for so much worse.

[–] onehundredsixtynine@sh.itjust.works 11 points 36 minutes ago

Wikipedia, as well as encyclopedias and textbooks, are secondary sources.

No, they are tertiary sources.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 20 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Nah fuck this attitude, if you ever tried to use Wikipedia for an actual research project you'll know how dubious those """sources""" can be.

It's actuslly an exercise one of my TA friends sets for students when they're just learning to research things properly. She gives them a claim on Wikipedia and and asks them to find the primary source for it. So they end up spending hours following chains of citations, until they are checking out old books from the library to try and find excerpts that some blog post that was cited in a paper that was cited in a newspaper, that was cited in a different blog post that was cited in another news article that was cited by Wikipedia claims exists, just to find out it doesn't.

But seriously, don't take Wikipedia seriously unless it cites a primary source directly.

[–] onehundredsixtynine@sh.itjust.works 7 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

don’t take Wikipedia seriously unless it cites a primary source directly.

Primary sources are against the policy in 99.9% of cases.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 5 points 50 minutes ago

In this day and age, where newspapers will publish any bullshit dictated by their corporate / billionaire owners, and any idiot can publish a book, how do we know the sources themselves are even valid? Like just because it’s physically printed doesn’t make it any more true.

[–] Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com 6 points 57 minutes ago (2 children)

Wikipedia is wonderful... for most things.

The main demographic contributing to and editing English Wikipedia are young, highly educated white men from western countries. It will portray on average the bias that most of these people espouse. So it will have racist bias, misogynistic bias and pro-western bias.

That said, it's still probably less misogynistic and less racist and less pro-western than your average outlet, because it filters out some of the most blatant false narratives and propaganda from conservative sources such as FOX.

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 5 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 41 minutes ago)

That's why I only get my information from lemmy comments that dont cite their sources

[–] istdaslol@feddit.org 2 points 47 minutes ago

And than there is the fake toaster inventor who only got found out nearly a decade later because the thought the joke got out of hand

[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

There's a lot of misinformation on Wikipedia too, of many different kinds. Some smaller pages exists purely for someone's PR. I've seen blatantly false (but "verifiable") stuff too but the most common thing is to have pages that are just creative with the truth.

Also sometimes I'll notice an article make multiple different claims that all point to the same source and then check the source and realize it is not a valid source for all of those claims, just some.

And also there's stuff that gets flagged as verified based on extrapolation of data from a combination of sources. For example: one source says "John Doe facing 1 billion dollars fines if found guilty" and another source says "John Doe was found guilty", then the article says "John Doe fined 1 billion dollars after being found guilty" as verified, then you go search the web and find no mention of any fines actually being issued following the verdict.

[–] Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 3 hours ago

Btw this is not an argument against Wikipedia in any way.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

I frequently check Wikipedia citations, just to be disappointed. Wiki sources can be a great shortcut to good citations, but often I realise much of an article's content is built out of the soggiest cardboard.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

It’s not just smaller pages. Brands and people pay for PR people to groom their page to present in a good light. Sure, it includes the information but it is groomed to be “neutral” and minimise the negative perception. Look at Musk’s page as an example.

[–] FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 14 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

But shouldnt fact be neutral? For example: "the holocaust was evil and killed countless innocent civilians" or "the holocaust resulted in (actual estimate) civilian deaths" The former is emotional and the latter is factual, but both highlight the perpetrated evil against the innocent.

Maybe I'm oversimplifying your point.

[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 hour ago

Yes.

But it’s also possible to just quietly omit information.

The holocaust resulted in millions of deaths

Sounds bad

the holocaust resulted in the death of approximately six million Jews and a further eight to ten million people from other groups such as Russian POW, Slav, Roma, Sinti, and homosexuals.

Puts figures to how bad it was.

Watch this bs:

The holocaust is alleged by pro-Jewish groups to have resulted in the deaths of six million Jews

Feels gross to read, right?

[–] sheridan@lemmy.world 37 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

I once posted a Wikipedia article to r/TodayILearned, and my post went really popular. Someone a few hours later then edited the Wikipedia page to contradict my Reddit post title, reported my post to the subreddit mods, and my post got taken down.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 minute ago

Is that Wikipedia page accurate today?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 19 points 2 hours ago

Reddit gonna reddit

[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago

Imagine being the level of asshole that would spend the time to do this. I'm not surprised, just....disappointed.

[–] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago) (1 children)

~~A problem with Wikipedia is that experts are not allowed to contribute to their areas of expertise because they're "biased"~~ (see edit below). I know a professor at a top university who used to spend his free time editing Wikipedia outside of his specific area but in his broad area of expertise as a method of disseminating science knowledge to the public. When the higher-up Wikipedia editors found out who he was, they banned his account and IP from editing.

~~Having the lay public write articles works when expertise isn't required to understand something, but~~ much of Wikipedia around science is slightly inaccurate at best. (This is still true, probably owing to the neutral point of view rule [giving weight to fringe ideas as a result] or the secondary source prioritization over primary sources.)

Edit: current Wikipedia editing rules and guidelines would not support this ban, so things appear to have changed. Wikipedia still recommends against primary sources as authoritative sources of information (recommending secondary sources instead), which is not great. But, they explicitly now welcome subject matter experts as editors.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Can you share the author/topic?

Wikipedia welcomes expert contributors, but people editing articles about themselves is a big no-no. You’re also not allowed to do promotion of your pet theories, even if you’re “expert”.

[–] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 3 points 32 minutes ago

Things appear to have changed; thanks for drawing my attention to that. I may start editing some articles in my broader area.

[–] canihasaccount@lemmy.world 2 points 59 minutes ago

I can't without doxxing myself more than I'd like. It wasn't an article about himself, nor his research. This was about 10 years ago, so the rules may have changed. I'll take a look and edit my post accordingly if so.

[–] TwodogsFighting 34 points 3 hours ago (4 children)
[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 1 points 19 minutes ago

afaik Wikipedia shut down the Greenlandic language version to prevent this exact situation, apparently the language used there was getting very poor

[–] Burninator05@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

The quotes used in the article sound like something Groundkeeper Willie would say. Im not sure why anyone would take them seriously.

[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 hours ago

There was also some Korean lady doing a bunch of Russian history for a decade.

Edit

Linky

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago

I registered a domain and wrote an article to try to get a submission through. It worked for a few months, but was removed after that. Very vigilant.

[–] Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip 8 points 3 hours ago

Meanwhile, my cousin and her friend were listed as honorary citizens of our village for a few months.