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(Full transparency.. a mod for this sub happens to work there.. but that doesn't influence his moderation or laughter at a lot of posts.)
Asking about the salary makes you sound kinda desperate, or uninformed, if you do it in a physical interview.
Wait until they make a offer then counter, or say you have a better offer, etc
Generally you can use resources to know the range of a company before going to a physical interview. Before the physical interview asking the recruiter the expected pay bands for this position is also fine. Recruiters understand.
Asking about my skills, competencies, in an interview seems dumb because that was what the CV and cover letter were for.
Wait until the candidate asks for the salary and then wait until you get the cheapest candidate who probably lacks skills and talent.
Generally there are resources that companies can use to train newbies to upskill them and pay the taxes they are due.
And by your career opportunity, they mean their career opportunities.
I don't accept an interview unless I have a clear idea of what kind of salary I can expect
Every chapter of the Cult of Humans as Resources has their own forbidden words.
they are kind o fa weird cult, aren't they
I've only known one cool HR person...they fired her a year after I quit
lol my current boss's first question in the interview was "can you work for $__ because that's all I can give you, not my decision."
Old school bosses are difficult in many ways, but they do at least realize why you're there and what keeps you coming back.
For my current job, I finally managed to stand firm in negotiations. They wanted to start me at the lowest option, but I argued for my experience in the field, interests, and personality traits that would be an asset. They came back to me later and said they'd bumped me up to the highest starting wage. Thank goodness! It's been a journey to own my self-worth and find the confidence to demand a higher number. I'm glad I did. This job has a rare team of management that actually listens to their employees, so I know I lucked out.
It is the law in my region that job adverts viewable from here must include a salary range.
Yes it's not easy to enforce. Since a visible salary an equality thing, it's possible to flag the incomplete posting as discriminatory issue and have it pulled, though.
They cheese out with a $100-500k salary; and everyone knows it's cheeseball.
But it's the law. This dinkweed is discriminating over applicants using protected speech to ask about a detail missing in the advert, and we all find out he is chauvinist in the end.
How to know if a company is dishonest, level 1.
If it really were a once in a lifetime career opportunity, then the salary would reflect that.
I love this. In my field we often say something like "this is mission-critical? Did the architects know? It's not been designed to proper spec, you know, and that's a safety issue." But, #union, so it's different.
So often, it's deemed crucial but not really set up as if it were, and there's the parallel with a "lifetime" opportunity architected like a joe-job.
I am a once in a lifetime employee. I'm interviewing the company.
That's how my sibling usually did it. His resume, talent and creds are astounding; but he doesn't mention to the interviewer that he's running the competition, not them.
He does use the proper language "I'm sorry to inform you that you haven't been selected in this round of competition, but I wish you every success," etc. It's been different in this era of mass lay-offs and the upended power dynamic, even for the elite candidates, but typically he'd start with an opportunity pool of about 50, and bring it to about 20 after an initial interview; 5 after the second interview.
When I was hunting for a job after being furloughed a year into COVID I was getting lots of callbacks for interviews.
After doing a few interviews and waiting until the job offer for compensation I got sick of all the clearly delusional people expecting a sysadmin to work for tier 1 support pay.
I switched gears. First question I asked to each callback was the salary range. I wasn't going to waste my time.
It saved me loads of time on bullshit positions and the "wear all these hats" postings with skewed pay.
I accidentally laughed and then apologized to one poor recruiter when she told me it was $15/hr.
I ended up at a place about $10k/year less than my last job but it was 80% work from home instead of 100% on site.
I once sat through a two-stage interview for fairly niche job that I was exceptionally skilled at and had 8 years experience in. Then they mentioned the $21.00 an hour while rattling off the rest of the job conditions and I stopped the guy and made him repeat it. We both sat in silence for like 20 seconds and then I was like "Alright, should I go? I'm gonna go." And just sort of awkwardly left.
A couple months later I got a salaried full-time position starting at more than twice that rate for the same sort of work.
I accidentally laughed and then apologized to one poor recruiter when she told me it was $15/hr.
Do it on purpose and don't apologize next time.
One company i worked at lost their contract and I got laid off. A week later the same company called me and offered a position under a different contract at a different site for a 20% pay cut. I laughed at them and said nah, i can't go backwards. Collected unemployment and found a different job at my previous rate a few weeks later.
I don't even apply for jobs that don't post salary info anymore. My time is valuable too.
Why is asking about salary a big no-no, but negotiating boni and stock options is perfectly valid for executive positions?
Why do employees have to sign contracts in which they agree not to disclose their salary to anyone, but their employer discloses all their employees' salaries to specialized service providers in exchange for those of their competition?
It's illegal for them to restrict you from talking about salary. In the US at least. Pretty sure that's at the federal level too.
People talking about their salaries is oftentimes seen as goush. Because only bad poor people are concerned with how much money they're being paid and you're not a bad poor person right? A good person will accept whatever their employer considers fair compensation for their work, doesn't complain and doesn't talk about it. You wouldn't want to be a bad person would you?
goush
Gauche. It's one of those words that spell check forgets about.
I don't understand why they hide the names of these folks. Let them get harassed on LinkedIn for their nonsensical, unhelpful opinions they posted with their whole chests...
It's satire, and probably stolen from this guy:
In this case it's all well and good, just a bit of ragabaiting, but I still believe those who actually post these insane and hurtful things (people exchange their life and health for someone else's profit, they shouldn't discuss what the going rate is?) should be shamed, at least boo'd.
A boss using AI to create a cartoon that ridicules the importance of salary to employees is the height of irony
Even more ironic “betting industry consultant.” Literally works in an obsessive “get rich quick” industry and is mad someone wants to get paid
Once in a lifetime opportunity to make shit money, more like.
I mean, maybe its not shit money. Maybe its sitting squarely on top of the salary median for the career and years experience. Maybe it really is a good offer. Idfk.
But employers act like you're applying for "The One Job That Exists" rather than juggling competing offers. I've bid my own existing company against new hire offers multiple times. And, every time, my existing employer countered with a better offer.
If you don't offer me a salary, why the fuck would I leave my current job? I have decades of experience. I have a very particular set of useful skills. I have friends all over the industry. I've got more than one "Once In A Lifetime Opportunity" to choose from.
Yeah a once in a lifetime opportunity is a mentorship for a person new to their career that will set them up for huge success in the future. When you have experience, skills, and contacts all they can offer you is money, benefits, and perks, and the money better be the headliner there
Maybe it's because I'm hourly but if there's no pay listed I treat the offer as if it's minimum wage.
It's nice when places let you know they are a toxic environment before the interview is even over. Gives you a chance to move on before you get stuck working there.
The problem is if the company is good but just the hiring manager is awfull. You might actually miss a once in a livetime opportunity because one person is a self absorbed shithead. And after you are hired you would never meet them again
If they do a shitty job hiring a hiring manager, they probably mess up a lot more in less critical places too
You're not wrong. But having a shitty hiring manager is a decent heuristic for having a shitty culture/company.
If your server was covered in shit, the food might still be excellent. But odds are the rest of the staff is similarily poorly treated/chosen, and regardless they'll still have touched your plate...
Had to cut an interview short today. Everything was going great until the interviewer dropped the dreaded R-word: Responsibility.
Like, really? We're talking about a once-in-a-lifetime employment opportunity here, and they want to focus on labor? Priorities, people...back to the jobs pool we go.
"Once in a lifetime career opportunity" by someone working in betting industry. Yeah, I doubt it.
Betting industry consultant and proprietary trader
No loss to the candidate.
Sounds like a vile narcissist, expecting people to be so grateful just to have the opportunity to be in the presence of their unethical ruthless brilliance. XD
the image is essential to the post, i couldnt imagine one without it
I once left out the s-word until after I agreed to the job and signed the contract. Let us just say that even if that person was dead I would want to desecrate their grave.
They don't even put it in the contract? What the fuck!
The story of that job, and it was my first job out of college, is one of the worst and most absolutely unbelievable stories that have happened to me, and the effect of that job still lingers on in my mind and affects how I view professionalism at work. It is honestly extremely embarassing.
Tell me your pay ranges suck without saying your pay ranges suck.
Don't you know they're Better Than You? You're supposed to humbly thank your corporate masters for the shit wage they offer.