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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by FuckyWucky@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

I do not know why this specific fact made to the front page or whether if it has something to do with the seige on Gaza right now and American Government being totally pog with it.

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[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 70 points 7 months ago

It for the same reason why the Holodomor is considered an anti-Ukrainian genocide in particular whereas Kazakh deaths, despite being much worse proportionally, are rarely brought up.

There's a dividing line here and I can't qWhite make it out lea-think

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 40 points 7 months ago

I guess we know that Russia is officially not white

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 40 points 7 months ago

They’ve had their whiteness pass revoked for a while now

[-] ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net 29 points 7 months ago

Europe's never really considered eastern Europeans to be real whites. They've always been a bit too Asian for the west and north.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Fun fact: the original English definition of "Europe" excluded western Russia.

The Brits didn't even know what the Ural hills were until ~1870. When they found out about them, they jumped at the chance to make them define Europe, because they had no other geographic justification (btw these hills are not a plate boundary and do not impede movement, they are basically as nonexistent as hills can be)

There were also multiple British geographers who wanted Britain to be its own continent separate from Europe.

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 13 points 7 months ago

Fuck I never knew the Urals were so low they make the Great Dividing Range, the archetypal "barely mountains" look like the fucking Himalayas.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 12 points 7 months ago

Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING white is fake

not just politics, but geography, taxonomy, etc etc

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

I'm old enough that the idea of Ukraine being considered Europe soundes utterly ridiculous.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago
[-] Frank@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

I think it's a really good example of how whiteness is contextual and can be extended and withdrawn to suit the situations. Slavs being White seemed utterly preposterous to me, that's just not how racists work, but then the Ukraine war happened and the Ukrainians were immediately race-lifted. And now the Ukrainians all have proud Viking-Aryan heritage as evinced by their definitely not Nazi "ancient heritage" symbols.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

the aryans weren't white

but yes otherwise true

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

Nazi "Aryans" or actual historical Aryans?

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 2 points 7 months ago

actual aryans

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 27 points 7 months ago

Reminds me of the very specific type of person who gets mad when people talk about Roma victims of the Holocaust.

[-] logflume@hexbear.net 52 points 7 months ago

a genocide has to start with holo- or else it’s just sparkling massacre

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 37 points 7 months ago

Wikipedia with the centrist take

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims

Both the famine in the USSR as well as Nazi extermination of Soviet citizens were genocides

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

This article's factual accuracy is disputed. (October 2023)

barbara-pit for Wikipedia editors.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

On the talk page it says they added it cause they can't decide if non-Jews count as Holocaust victims lmao. So I guess you guys were right.

[-] panopticon@hexbear.net 17 points 7 months ago

I think losurdo said the deaths of Soviet POWs may have reached 5 million so of course wikiHimmler went with the under estimate

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 46 points 7 months ago

why was an American court making a ruling about a Nazi crime against a Soviet city?

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 7 months ago

Good question, the US is the world police not the world judge!

[-] sevenapples@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 7 months ago

wild guess: there was a law against making fun of genocides (or similar), someone made fun of Russians dying during the siege of Leningrad, some other guy sues him because of said law. Boom, now a judge has to decide whether it was a genocide or not.

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 23 points 7 months ago

Ukronazis love to never shut the fuck up about muh holodorkmore but never talk about Babyn Yar because their ideological and national heroes were the ones with their fingers on the trigger

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 4 points 7 months ago

Wait, I haven't heard about this and it's a little hard to look up. Do you have any further reading?

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 3 points 7 months ago

Here's an old Soviet film on the topic it's filled with survivor testimonials and details of the massacre so for anyone who wants to watch it, it's not for sensitive individuals.

[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 7 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 21 points 7 months ago

The reality is this, the Nazis won. Not the kinetic war, but the war of their ideals, and it has seaped in to every facet of western white society.

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