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[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 76 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

The significance is even greater than many leftists who live in the 21st century realize:

The Soviet Union was the ONLY adversary that the United States has ever been afraid of.

Yes, you heard it right. Not even the threat of China today reaches anywhere near the fear that the US had against the Soviet system. I’ll get into that in a moment.

It would be a grave mistake to see the 70-year long epic struggle between the US and the Soviet Union as nothing more than two superpowers vying for global domination. Such thought would be a great disservice to the significance of the 20th century Cold War: an ideological battle for the future of humanity.

Many people go crazy about China’s amazing economic transformation, but understand that what China has managed to overtake the US, whether it is infrastructure, shipbuilding, automation and robotics, cars, advanced electronics etc. all of that had already happened before with Japan more than 40 years ago.

And the rise of China since the reform and opening up through its integration into the global free trade market by producing cheap exports through suppression of domestic wages and demand makes perfect sense for countries/economies that were able to take advantage of industrial policies and the geopolitical circumstances of the time in the decades even before China (e.g. Japan, Germany, Taiwan, South Korea etc.)

What made the Soviet Union truly unique and a fearsome adversary to global capitalism was not its technological advances, rapid industrialization, or winning the space race, BUT that it managed to achieve all that in defiance of the Western economic theory!

A true socialist state where workers were treated with dignity and respect.

A country that is not drawn on nationalist lines but on a supranational identity committing to an ideology that brings together people from all over the world, regardless of nationality, ethnicity and culture.

A society without the oppression of an exploitative and parasitic capitalist class.

A system once thought impossible to achieve progress by capitalist propaganda. No, you see, capitalism is the fastest way to build a nation, while socialism only ends up bringing poverty to all!

The Soviet Union smashed all the capitalist propaganda into pieces.

It is unfortunate but I have to say this: unlike China today, the Soviet workers enjoyed the full welfare and protection of their rights as workers, did not have to worry about being unemployed, did not have to live paycheck to paycheck, did not have to pay mortgage, received free education and healthcare of the highest quality, enjoyed labor rights including working hours comparable to those of the “wealthier” social democratic Western European working class, and most impressive of all, the Soviet government continued to pay out full pension and free healthcare throughout the entire Great Patriotic War (WWII) even when unthinkable deaths and destructions were happening all around the country and the world.

I know it is hard for people who live in the 21st century to understand, but know that there was a time when workers committed their energy and time not to work to survive, but to build a new society that would benefit all of humanity.

I strongly recommend reading Ostrovsky’s semi-autobiographical novel How the Steel Was Tempered (1930s) to get a glimpse of what I wrote above meant:

Man's dearest possession is life.
It is given to him but once, and he must live it so as to feel no torturing regrets for wasted years, never know the burning shame of a mean and petty past;
so live that, dying, he might say: all my life, all my strength were given to the finest cause in all the world──the fight for the Liberation of Mankind

Seriously, read the novel which was based on the author’s own lived experience. It is impossible to grasp what happened in the minds of the Soviet people with a perspective of the 21st century world.

This is not the say that the Soviet Union did not have its flaws, but that its existence served as a beacon for a different kind of future for many people living in the post-war reconstruction era. That brief period of hopefulness has never been replicated, nor has its conditions emerged again (so far), since the fall of the Soviet Union. It is an entirely different kind of future that we had lost.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 50 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

100-com

In the history of mankind, there has never been a more ambitious humanitarian project than the Soviet Union.

Soviet history reads like science fiction or fantasy in the 21st century and it is truly inspiring the level of collective drive the USSR had in charting a forward path for humanity. No other project has been approached with more sincerity and intellectual pursuit.

All this to say that it’s disheartening to see leftists suggest the soviet union was a failed endeavor by pointing towards China’s economic success. Quite frankly, with all due respect to the People’s Republic, what China has done so far is nothing compared to what the USSR accomplished and tried to accomplish.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 41 points 1 month ago

Agreed. This is not to say China’s different path to socialism is not viable, but that if we’re being honest, while China has achieved great economic success, the working conditions is not something to be envied of (on average, we’re working longer hours than every single country in the world despite an exponential growth in productivity).

If anything, it is a testament to the fact that the Soviet Union represented a true and unique alternative that defied contemporary Western economic models - one that achieved its success without having to sacrifice worker’s rights nor having to rely on foreign capital investment.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The greatest feat of the USSR was showing humanity which way forward is.

It has forever solidified a practical and real point of reference of a socialist experiment not only being some idea in the heads of intellectuals, but a real entity, that did not cave into restoring capitalism.
An entity that every western education system still feels the need to slander and misrepresent as to diminish just it's symbolic effect 30 years after it has illegally been torn apart.

Of course there are countless mistakes – grave ones even – and degenerations to take into account, it was not perfect, but it was closer to giving the average person a dignified life than any bourgeois "democracy" could ever hope to do.

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago

Yes! There are many legitimate criticisms against the Soviet Union, but it was truly an unprecedented experimentation of an alternative system that gave the Western capitalist bloc a run for their money (pun very much intended).

The concept of a socialist state built on a supranational identity is unparalleled even to this very day.

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Internally, they had many economic shortcomings but most of it was still preferable to status quo. Someone was describing a story about a Georgian they came across in another website.

They were talking about how a young person was working very hard but it will decrease as the young person becomes older. Georgian was shocked. They ask Georgian how it was in their country. Georgian said they were in a communist country, people either worked very lightly or they didn't work at all. Which actually makes sense. A lot of people would just work less and be happy with few they gain rather than work hard. You can not buy time after all. Which makes it difficult for a socialist country to win in a cold war.

What matters more is their anti colonialism foreign policy. So many nations got at least diplomatic support for their independence movement. Even if those independence movements were also anti communist. They were the reason empires fell in 20th century. Shame they couldn't destroy the last one

[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Internally, they had many economic shortcomings but most of it was still preferable to status quo.

I have written at length about this in the past so won’t be doing a deep dive here. The economic problems of the Soviet Union began to emerge after Khrushchev reversed many of Stalin’s policies after his death and brought liberalism back into the system.

The most notable was the 20-year suspension of Soviet public debt repayment (effectively a default) in 1957.

The genius of Stalin’s Five-Year Plan was partly due to its ability to utilize the State Bank to effectively create an unlimited amount of rubles to finance its domestic development (implemented during the Credit Reform in 1930-32). The Soviet (internal) ruble was already unpegged from gold as early as 1933, and since the ruble was not convertible to any foreign currency or precious metal, the Soviet government will always be able to repay its public debt.

To make it even clearer, the Soviet (internal) ruble was effectively a fiat currency 40 years before the Americans discovered the power of monetary sovereignty by accident after abandoning the Bretton Woods.

However, Khrushchev and his finance minister Arseny Zverev believed that the Soviet government had “too much national debt” and the government had “no more money to service its annual debt”. This is no different than the Democrats and the Republicans in the US crying about trillions and trillions of national debt and not realizing that the US government as the issuer of a sovereign currency will always be able to create the amount of dollars needed to pay the treasury holders.

As a result of this “default” in 1957, the circulation of ruble in the hands of the people was disrupted. With less money to spend, this caused a slump in domestic consumption, and led to commodity shortages as demand weakened. This was also when the stereotypical “food and goods shortage in the Soviet Union!” began to occur.

Later, an attempt was made to fix the problem by increasing the prices to control demand for goods shortages, and spiraled into even worse and more problematic economic issues. This culminated in the Novocherkassk massacre in 1962 when rail workers began to strike in the face of rising prices while forced to take pay cuts, and was suppressed by the government.

A rare anti-labor stance by the Soviet government due to the introduction of liberalism back into the Soviet economic system.

The Soviet economy would eventually turn into stagnation by the 1970s after much of Stalin’s policies had been completely reversed, further deterioration prompting more liberal reforms, and the rest is history.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stop paying attention to me. I love posting dumb stuff

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

Keep up the good work then o7

No shade

[–] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It is unfortunate but I have to say this: unlike China today, the Soviet workers enjoyed the full welfare and protection of their rights as workers, did not have to worry about being unemployed, did not have to live paycheck to paycheck, did not have to pay mortgage, received free education and healthcare of the highest quality, enjoyed labor rights including working hours comparable to those of the “wealthier” social democratic Western European working class, and most impressive of all, the Soviet government continued to pay out full pension and free healthcare throughout the entire Great Patriotic War (WWII) even when unthinkable deaths and destructions were happening all around the country and the world.

It's frankly silly how many people - even on this forum - have succumbed to capitalist realism to the degree where they do not understand the benefits of planned economies over privatised ones.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 weeks ago

Dengism and it's consequences have been a disaster for Marxist thought everywhere

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 46 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

There's actually two of these, the other one is on display in an engineering museum in southern Germany. But yes, i agree with your sentiment, i feel the same way about the ekranoplans rotting on the shores of the Caspian Sea.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

THERE IS A BURAN IN A GEMRAN MUSEUM?????

1ST OF ALL WTF HOW DID IT GET THERE AND 2ND OF ALL I NEED TO SEE IT

Like shit I was not aware of this I have lived here all my life...

Legit something I will do in the mid future probably. thx for giving me a motivation to actually travel somewhere interesting :)

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

Yes, it's at the Technik Museum Speyer.

It's an interesting story about how they got hold of the plans and decided that slapping the SRBs on the side were too dangerous and then built the energia booster, and put the Buran on the top as the Shuttle should have been. Another funny twist is that they kept the roll just after launch, even if it's not strictly needed with the energia booster.

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago

Shit sucks

Another comrade posted this video today about the crowning achievement of a residential block in lithuania that won the lenin prize. And now they're just adding parking lots where pedestrian thoroughfares used to be

We had this once, we will have it again, but fuck if this isn't just a depressing time to be alive

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

To me it really hit just how bad it really was/is when Ukraine launched their drone attack on Russian strategic bombers this year. Ukraine claimed to have destroyed over 30 aircraft. In reality, only around 10-12 of the aircraft hit/destroyed were operational, the rest were just sitting there rotting in a field. They hit multiple rotting Tu-22s, and 2 A-50s that didn't even have engines on them. These were aircraft parked at operational air bases, just sitting there rotting with holes in them or no engines. It was a depressing watch, to see the reality of Soviet collapse and how it's affected Russian strategic aviation over three decades later.

[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 25 points 1 month ago

This is what they took from us, and I will never forgive them.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

Post-soviet capitalist aesthetic.

[–] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago
[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We need that baseball guy from that one episode of Cowboy Bebop to get his hands on the ultimate barn find

[–] Ishmael@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Or Cid from FFVII

[–] sisatici@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know much about space technology but project would probably be still abandoned even if ussr was up and running. How much rot it will be exposed to is debatable but in best scenario it would have been recycled for other parts. They had developed a space rocket engine more efficient than buran. Same rocket so efficient that even nasa used to carry their astronauts

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The Buran was "just" a shuttle with smaller built-in engines that attached to either the Energia rocket or a enormous carrier plane to be carried into space/the upper atmosphere.

Buran was able to perform an automated light around the world all on it's own, it was the space shuttle perfected that could have been used to e.g. establish a research base on the moon since it was able to carry a lot of cargo and could be reused much more often since the wear was on the discardable Energia rocket system.

[–] redchert@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 month ago

I am sure the jeans and bananas were worth it