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[–] fannin@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You mean a liberal said something liberal and 50% of hexbear twisted themselves into pretzels to defend it? Word?

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 17 hours ago

You know what is sad about all of this thread full of Zohran defenders? Well, just yesterday Zohran pulled out a statement echoing Zionist lies. This brings me to the following question:

  • How much more should a "socialist" capitulate to the capitalists to be allowed entry into electoralism?
  • How much more are all of these Zohran defenders willing to overlook?

[–] rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

This thread sure was wild to read.

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 1 points 13 hours ago

Banning a comrade for being uncivil is truly the cherry on top

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] fannin@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

I love my other 50% comrades

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 day ago
[–] alexei_1917@hexbear.net 17 points 1 day ago

Fucking social democrats. They sucked in Lenin's time and they suck even worse now. He was right about them.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

yuuuup. already coopted, or never been. such are demsuccs, you can't "change the system from the inside, man"

my country is more tolerant of them, and i've seen it over and over at this point.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

I’ve worked with him for years both in DSA and on his campaigns and these topics have come up before, so it’s extra disappointing knowing that he doesn’t even personally believe this or the liberal Zionist shit he said about Palestine.

Like you just don’t have to answer those questions dawg, and they’ll have no relevance to you as a local politician (albeit a prominent one). Yeah, it’s the optics and the getting elected (which I still think would be an objectively a good thing) but why poison your project’s well when there are such easy ways to answer that by calling into question the American narrative? You are going to be attacked as a socialist no matter what you say man

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (45 children)

It's just validation that electoralism is pointless.

You can believe whatever going in, but as soon as you start to achieve meaningful success the system will force you to conform. "Change from within" is a fool's errand.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It's just validation that electoralism is pointless.

There is a difference between the DSA's tactic of entryism into the Democratic Party as a method of reformism and participation in electoralism under the banner of a workers party practicing Democratic Centralism. They both might be participating in electoralism, but only the workers party is doing so to weaken support for the state and build support for a revolutionary movement.

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[–] gramxi@hexbear.net 62 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cuba and Venezuela are both legitimately more democratic than the USA.

Reason I hoped he might be different: looking at whom he upset (Zionists, landlords.

I thought surely someone who manages to get close to a correct stance on Palestine despite how overwhelming the propaganda is can see clearly and has his head screwed on straight when it comes to other countries.

I need a better litmus test and more and more it looks like that litmus test has to be: will they call themselves the C word and refuse to demonize any of the US's official enemies?

[–] WildWeezing420@hexbear.net 37 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

the litmus test is ukraine. it's easy to be right on palestine. It's a lot more difficult to be right about Syria or Ukriane

and to clarify, because I know somebody in bad faith is gonna come in here and give the 'muh optics' argument - I'm not saying they have to be pro-russia or have been pro-assad. They just need to oppose arming and funding Ukraine and call for an end of the proxy war, and opposed funding and arming FSA/Al-Nusra/ISIS/Al Qaeda.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"breaks silence" what the hell is a mayor talking about foreign countries for?

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[–] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 46 points 2 days ago (17 children)

At this pace, we are about two weeks away from "Israel has a right to defend itself"

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[–] xiaohongshu@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Let’s be realistic about Mamdani here, because a lot of people expressed their disappointment in him lately:

At this stage in his campaign, he must have realized that if elected, he will be facing a State government and legislature where the establishment Democrats have every incentives to see him fail.

He will be dealing with a hostile Federal government who can threaten to pull millions and millions of funding and grants on a whim.

He will have to face off a fascist police force, the most militarized in the world, who will be eager to send “warnings” to his family, friends and supporters about their safety.

He must have realized that he will be dealing with the business leaders, the landlord tycoons, the Wall Street bankers, the criminal underworld - all of whom have formed such deep corruption networks with the municipal bureaucracy that all of them are eyeing him as a fresh piece of meat, ready to be squeezed dry, ready to be beaten and tortured into submission.

I would not even be surprised that at this point, his campaign must have received “invitation letters” by many such groups hinting at what role he’s going to have to assume, or else the consequences and the obstructions he will be facing as a mayor.

He has to balance all these forces while keeping the city running. He has to make sure the public services are not disrupted, the public transportations will continue to run, the welfare programs can be adequately financed, the school system will have ample resources, and so on and so forth.

I believe Mamdani is an idealist. He was outraged by the injustices in the world. He wants to change the system. He still believes in democracy. He’s a socialist who probably likes based communist memes on the internet.

But at this point of the campaign, he must have realized that he’s alone in this. He may have supporters and volunteers, but how many of them are willing to take a bullet for him? How many of them are willing to rally behind him to fight the capitalist class to the end? How many of them are ideologically committed enough to sacrifice their own lives to fight for his cause?

Although he’s supported by the DSA, I strongly strongly doubt the DSA has vast infiltration network into the key municipal posts that could deliver Mamdani the results he will need as a mayor. If he does not have the control of the municipal administrative branches, he’s going to be blackmailed by them, or shall we say, the vested interests behind them.

In a way, I feel bad for him. For he has no idea the sick and the twisted of the monstrosity of a system he will be caught into. It must have dawned upon him that he will be facing - alone - a monstrosity that can no longer be reformed. A system that has rotten to the core. A system that has no redeeming value but to be torn down.

But maybe if he plays his role as intended, if he plays his cards right, if he pleases the right people, he could somehow succeed in making some incremental gains, a little bit of progress. That, in his mind, wouldn’t be a bad outcome at all. Perhaps.

[–] fannin@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

Blah blah blah excuses for racism

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago

Pretty much. If you read his history, he faced no real political opposition. His "opposition" amounts to facing a Democrat in a state assembly primary once. He didn't even run against a Republican. This is how un-battle-tested he is. We shouldn't be surprised someone who lived a comparatively sheltered life and who has never faced real adversity would completely capitulate and fold like a lawn chair at the first sign of struggle. With someone as wholly unprepared for facing real adversity as he is, it doesn't matter what he truly believes because he will not have the moral courage nor the tenacity of will nor the steadfastness to endure and overcome the forces that will do everything in their power to prevent what he wants from coming to fruition.

You don't need to read a single leftist text to know that people who have never been punched in the face completely crumble when they get punched in the face for the first time. "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." We're seeing him getting punched in the face and watching him crumble under the pressure in real time.

[–] The_Halfling@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 day ago

TL;DR: Entryism doesn't work.

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I mean isn't this just another way to explain the failings of entryism in the electoral context? You're essentially manifesting support using an apparatus that has no desire for you and doesn't care for you and it either doesn't work at all, or if you co-opt it to some extent, you've now made enemies that see you fall in line and you've outpaced the militancy and support needed to prevent that.

It essentially leaves this type of campaign in the domain of opportunists and fools. Which I feel was already what was said about it repeatedly.

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[–] 0__0@hexbear.net 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I genuinely believe Tucker fucking Carlson would actually give a better answer that this. It's honestly mind numbing how leftists are just immune to learning from the right with regards to rhetoric. You know what Nick Fuentes says when they ask him about Hitler? "Uhmmm, he had some good ideas, but did you know Stalin and Mao killed a gazillion people, and are actually worse than him. Funny how the jew controlled mainstream media never talks about this smh."

Like, JUST DEFLECT THE QUESTION AND POINT TO AMERICAN CRIMES IN THE REGION. And unlike nazis, you would actually be correct in doing so, because they're literally the cause of the situation anyway!

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