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Donald Trump has said he will issue an executive order to mandate identification for all US elections, a move likely to be challenged in court as unconstitutional.

"Voter I.D. Must Be Part of Every Single Vote. NO EXCEPTIONS! I Will Be Doing An Executive Order To That End!!!,” the US president said on Truth Social late on Saturday.

Trump also claimed he wants to ban all voting by mail except for those who are very ill or in military service.

The US constitution grants primary authority to regulate elections to the US states, while empowering Congress to enact election laws or regulations. It gives no explicit authority to the president to regulate voting.

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[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 19 points 12 hours ago

Hey Donny, that's great and all, but where are the Epstein files? Inquiring minds need to know!

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

Can we 100% confirmed that Donny actually made this statement and that it wasn’t a body double? And also RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Um, so this IS the party of "small government", yes?

[–] hexagon@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago

If by government you mean penis

[–] Colonel_Panic_@eviltoast.org 8 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Fucking hell I hate to even say this, but this might be the first thing he has ever done that I might agree with. But hear me out before you crucify me.

There isn't rampant voter fraud near to the level MAGA claims. They imply it's 50% fraudulent. It's really like 1% or less, and most of that gets caught anyway already.

I do think it is important to validate that the person casting the vote is registered and is the correct person casting the vote. But I would balance that requirement with common sense and I'd make getting any/all valid IDs easy and free (fully tax funded). From DL to Real ID to Military or whatever else. All free. All simple to get. All accessible to do. And I'd also make all elections a national holiday and expand mail in and online voting and early voting. Give people as much margin to get their vote in as possible.

Elections do need security, hell, I'm still not entirely convinced that Elon didn't do SOMETHING nefarious in this last one. He at very least was paying people which is illegal. But we need better encryptions and processes and forms of certifying that the ballots cast were indeed the correct intended vote and ways to go back and validate your own vote in a secure way. Make a portal where you can log in like your bank and see your vote history or something.

While we're at it. Abolish the damn college. Just make it all RCV and be done with all this shit with gerrymandering and arguing over the "least worst' candidate every cycle.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

Much less than 1%. Voter Fraud is so rare that it has no impact on elections. However the Republicans have been trying to pass a federal voter ID law (the SAVE act) which creates substantial barriers for married women who changed their last name from voting. The additional barriers will destroy democracy.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/why-voting-rights-groups-warn-the-save-act-may-make-it-harder-for-married-women-to-vote

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Republicans would never win if they did all that, and Democrats would immediately be seriously challenged by Progressive candidates, so they aren't interested either.

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

They would never lose again if they did roll out a federal voter ID law:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/why-voting-rights-groups-warn-the-save-act-may-make-it-harder-for-married-women-to-vote

They could at will pass federal laws that disenfranchise anyone who votes against their agenda.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Of course, if the legislation they passed only incorporated voter ID and not any of the other stuff the person I was replying to spoke of, including ranked choice

[–] smayonak@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Thats the scam: they know most Americans support basic voter id requirements and dont read the news. So Americans would tacitly support a national voter ID requirement (which itself violates the constitution) without realizing that it would prevent many women from voting. Voter ID laws are a Trojan horse for rolling back democratic controls on fascism.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

I was typing up a comment to say this but when I really started thinking about it it’s not feasible to use IDs. The whole reason it’s unconstitutional is it directly targets poor people and prevents them from voting. ID centers would have to be open 7 days a week. All other forms of IDs needed to obtain a voter ID would also have to be free, and those places would have to be open 7 days also.

There’s just too much that would have to go into making it fair for every citizen.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 14 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I Will Be Doing An Executive Order

President of the United States.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

Trump is way too fucking lazy to press the shift key before every word. I just do not believe that he writes his own tweets. I'd like to see just one video of him visibly typing out a tweet that is then published. I'd bet that if you cross-referenced when his tweets are posted with his golf schedule, you'd find that at least some of them are written by somebody else.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 hours ago

Soviet Anthem Intensifies

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Give no explicit authority to the executive branch, but that isn’t gonna matter to Trump nor the Supreme Court

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 28 points 21 hours ago

The use of executive orders to rule by decree is itself unconstitutional.

[–] omzeyad25@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

And admission to the capital is up to the don now.

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 15 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You don't have to have proof of identity to vote in the US?

[–] impeccablepenguin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

In states that do not require an ID, you still need to present a document with your name. It is then compared with the voter registration database. The argument against requiring an ID is that ID's aren't free in the US, which can cause a financial hurdle for many.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 16 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Sounds like a solution would be some sort of national ID card provided for free?

[–] xycu@programming.dev 23 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Republicans and conservatives, historically, have been the biggest opponents of a national ID because they don't want the federal government tracking them or asserting any control over anything.

Until trump, anyway...

[–] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 1 points 11 hours ago

That's rich

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 15 hours ago

Yes, but that would actually be a good thing so it's never happened.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 15 points 19 hours ago

And there's additional hurdles for more targeted populations, like access to the place that gives you the ID, and the capacity to prove your ID to that place with specific documents that may ormay not exist. It's on purpose.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 2 points 12 hours ago

What sort of documents could you provide?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Heck, personal ID is not free in my country, either (I paid 43€ for a renewal last week), but it is mandatory, so everyone has it. Americans could do it even cheaper if they wanted.

With so low levels of identity proof in the US, don't complain about identity theft. Here, you simply can't open a bank account with just an SSN drawn from the darknet and a self-printed electricity bill. Having a proper ID has many uses, way beyond identifying for your right to vote.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 92 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] MeThisGuy@feddit.nl -2 points 10 hours ago

wait.. so you guys are worried about having to identify yourself to vote?

meanwhile you are registered multiple times a day through license plate identification, CCTV cameras, facial recognition, and not to mention your google/Apple device usage and browser and other digital fingerprinting

[–] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 1 day ago (5 children)

He can fuck on off. That’s up to the States.

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

I can't see California ever enforcing this

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can he just go back to being dead?

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[–] Atomicbunnies@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

EOs arnt laws.. Congress still has to make them into laws.

[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

There's the legal tactic of: do now and ask for forgiveness never. It works really well when there are no legal consequences.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It works really well when there are no legal consequences.

There are other consequences than legal ones.

[–] Pofski@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

none so far i would say.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

He does care fuck if it is "legal" or "constitutional". Those terms do no longer exist as criteria.

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 39 points 1 day ago

I like the way the headline implies that he openly admitted that the order would be unconstitutional.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

So sick of just one fucking asshole in this country able to torment millions of us.

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 37 points 1 day ago (13 children)

He'll be dead before the next election.

Bet your house on it.

[–] tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

And if needed the tech fascists will pull a Weekend at Bernie's using AI and body doubles. Assuming they don't believe JD is up for the job.

Fascism isn't ending with him dieing.

Bet your life on it.

[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago

No thanks, betting against this man hasn't worked out for me yet, and I'm much too poor to spare the roof over my head when reality bends over backwards to appease this man again.

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