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During a Tuesday hearing at the 9th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, the DOJ urged a three-judge panel to issue an emergency stay of a lower court order and allow the Trump administration’s deployment of the California National Guard to continue in Los Angeles — going so far as to argue a president’s federalization of militia can’t be second-guessed by the courts, even if the chief executive mobilized forces from all 50 states and Washington, D.C., simultaneously.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 203 points 10 months ago (5 children)

The DOJ attorney emphasized that “sustained mob violence” in response to ICE raids is “no ordinary civil unrest,” claimed that it is ongoing, and asserted that such violence is “expressly aimed at preventing federal officers from enforcing federal law,” supporting Trump’s federalization of the Golden State’s National Guard.

That's just a lie, isn't it?

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 70 points 10 months ago

Even if it were true, that does not amount to rebellion. Nobody is trying to overthrow the federal government.

Yet.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 59 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's standard Republican strategy. A lot of the cases that ended up in front of the Supreme Court are straight up manufactured. In the case of the lady who refused to create a website for a gay wedding, they contacted the guy who supposedly made the request and he'd never heard of it before. Republican operatives basically looked up a gay guy in San Francisco and used his details in the website's contact form.

Despite all that, the courts happily took the case and ruled on a complete fiction. Same thing happened in the case of the coach that forced his football team to pray.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

See also: "Weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq.

Literally fabricated "intelligence."

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Well, it's mostly true. I mean this isn't normal civil unrest. This is the people being fed up with a government trying to use fear as a weapon against it's own people. And the mob violence isn't generally preventing federal officers from doing what they want, it is in response to it. There is some mob shouting preventing some federal officers ftom doing what they want.

But issue at hand is that the law is very vague about the quantity needed to trigger the allowance of using the national guard. By just reading it, ICE could send a single agent to arrest 5 people in a facility that has 500. If the people stop the arrests, then it meets the written requirements. It ludicrous though to interpret it that way of course. But since it was written so poorly, we are at the mercy of the courts.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 129 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is dictatorship. It's mild only because no one is fighting back. The moment someone tries the gloves will come off.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 20 points 10 months ago

That is how they want everyone to feel so there isn't much fight back. However, I think if there was, and the gloves came off, it may also split Republicans and even Trumpers.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 107 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Telling the court that the court has no say. Bold move Cotton….

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago

I mean hes done it before with no consequences so we'll see

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 81 points 10 months ago

Tastes like fascism.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 74 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So much to unpack there...

So the bestest president evah now caused a rebellion? Did that ever happen before to any president? Oh yeah, under trump 1 there was January the 6th, instigated and orchestrated by king Cheeto

And now there is another rebellion?

I mean, it's demonstrations but seeing that distinction is hard for smooth brain idiots

Then telling judges that they can't say no because else they can't stop a rebellion? I mean, you STARTED it, if you want to stop it's really easy: STOP BREAKING THE LAW!

And stop telling judges they can't do their job

[–] Dragomus@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

The keyword is rebellion...

But it is not really about current protests ... it is to have all lights on green when there actually IS a rebellion cooking so the response can be swift and far beyond proportions.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 74 points 10 months ago (80 children)

That's fascism, folks.

Arm yourselves.

Also, maybe don't do something dumb like vote 3rd party or abstain from voting next time around. Y'all were warned. Now it's happening.

[–] Buske@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

What about all the votes that were lost, removed, not counted? The way the elections, gerrymandering and more, Its all rigged.

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[–] DarkDecay@lemmy.world 65 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you want a rebellion? Cause this how you get rebellions

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yes, they do, because it will distract from the US joining a war in Iran, and from all of trumps other crimes.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I thought the war in Iran was to distract from the protests? What are they going to do to distract from the rebellion then?

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's distraction upon distraction upon distraction while they steal the country.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

It's distractions all the way down

[–] Liberteez@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

It's not even a plan. It's notions of a plan.

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The foreign wars arent the point. The foreign wars are a means to an end

The end. Is being able to isolate one's self from the rest of the world. Enjoy perpetual dictatorial rule through martial law. And rule your corner of the world like an absolute monarchy. The other parts of the world can deal with their own regional warlords like Russia and China

The foreign wars. Like starting a war with Iran. Are likely going to be used as a vehicle to declare martial law in the USA. And once that happens. Trump is never going away until death takes him

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wasnt aware the DOJ could order judges to find in certain ways in cases.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago
[–] albert180@piefed.social 38 points 10 months ago

Sounds like Dictatorship to me

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The time to rebel is now

These people want you dead

Arm yourselves.

Do not go quietly when they come for you

Drag one with you to your grave

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

My state says I have to pay a tax, do live fire training, get 2 background checks and wait several weeks before I can arm myself.

Guess we will just die.

Oh and I can't carry it virtually anywhere. Maybe to the range if its unloaded and locked and ammunition stored somewhere separately.

Did I also mention I am limited to 10 or less rounds?

I was going to add something else but there is a kiaboy with an autoswitch glock and extended mag tapping on my window while I type this.

[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Breaking an immoral law is no crime.

2A is in our constitution.

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[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 34 points 10 months ago (1 children)

well, what did the ninth circuit have to say in response?

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 30 points 10 months ago

That's some incredibly intense kneeling they're doing right there. Who knew the DOJ was so good at kissing the floor?

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 29 points 10 months ago

quashing protests, will eventually leader to larger protests and then uprising, and maybe a rebellion eventually.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 25 points 10 months ago

Arrogant shits, aren't they?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And Harvey Weinstein's lawyers say he's totally innocent too...

trumps been using the DOJ as his own lawyers, they're always gonna say he can do whatever he wants. Literally, they said nothing about this can be weighed on by any court:

“Our view is that this statute commits the decision whether to call up the forces to the president’s unreviewable discretion,” Shumate answered. “So no, there’s no role for the court to play in reviewing that decision.”

It two trump judges and one from Biden. And while the trump judges clearly disagree, they're gonna kick it to the SC.

Which is what was always going to happen here. Newsom isn't dumb enough to think a lawsuit would fix anything, he's just grandstanding because he wants to run for president.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 26 points 10 months ago

It two trump judges and one from Biden. And while the trump judges clearly disagree, they're gonna kick it to the SC.

SCOTUS is an appeals court, they rule on lower court findings.

A lower court can't "kick it to the SC". They have to make a ruling.

[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Isn't the national guard supposed to be a state level militia?

Makes zero sense that the federal government should dictate where and how they are used. The feds should be going to states and asking to borrow their militia for whatever happens, typically national disaster response and not murdering political dissenters.

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[–] crawancon@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago (6 children)

when there is no justice there is.....

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