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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 39 points 6 hours ago

Internet shutdown in Iran has been going on for more than 24 hours now.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 51 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

Looks like the american right are capitulating to the idea that Bluesky is going to be the next big platform and realising they need to be on it to reach people.

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 34 points 6 hours ago

Yeah Elon has crashed and burned so it's the inevitable outcome.

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[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 6 hours ago (9 children)
[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 22 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

"Sure, they were lying the last 2-3 times when it came to the justification of a war they're about to go to in the Middle East, but THIS time, they're telling the truth!"

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 5 hours ago

i don't think anyone actually believes it tbh

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 29 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

We also have word that they are removing babies from incubators within the Fordow facility

[–] FortifiedAttack@hexbear.net 29 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (4 children)

They remove the babies from the incubators and put them in the missiles.

I also received reports that they put some inside the nuclear reactor,

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 19 points 5 hours ago

Baby-guided missile

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 17 points 5 hours ago

Death Iranding raiden-source

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 22 points 5 hours ago

ripping babies out of incubators is fine, it's only when you don't let the Zionists do it that they get cranky and shaky with withdrawals

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 17 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Bro, what if Iran IS close to getting nuclear weapons and they've just managed to fool the IAEA? Might mean they can end the war sooner than we think

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 5 hours ago

don't give me hope

[–] aanes_appreciator@hexbear.net 9 points 4 hours ago

"close conversation" yet this hearsay is now being spread around? Okayyyy.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 63 points 7 hours ago (7 children)

Some US anti war demonstrations are firing up quickly, good to see.

[–] Comrade_Mushroom@hexbear.net 30 points 6 hours ago

I can hardly imagine there being much support for US involvement in this dumb war to begin with.

Other than just generally being racist, I don't see how Americans are supposed to be fired up for a war that was started by a cheap shot missile attack by an ally they're already sick of hearing about acting up all the time.

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 46 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

I just saw this at Bluesky.

Prediction: Trump TACO’s on Iran.

The OP doesn't want Trump to attack Iran so a Trump TACOing would be good. But the OP, like so many other libs, can't seem to resist the mesmerizing power of a TACO joke.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 42 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

I've told so many libs to shut the fuck up with the taco stuff when they've been things like "Trump isn't doing really stupid international tariffs because he's a CHICKEN!"

Like... Are you trying to get him to do the stupid tariffs? Because that's what you're doing when you scream chicken at him for it. They legitimately do not realise it.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 34 points 6 hours ago

Liberals are the true accelerationists.

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