"Axios": Trump wants to ensure that the attack on Iran is "necessary" and that it will not lead to the United States being drawn into a prolonged war in the region
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Bulletins and News Discussion from June 16th to June 22nd, 2025 - Iran, Harden Your Heart
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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.
Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.
Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).
Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.
I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.
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“Concepts of a plan” encore
“I have ideas as to what to do,” Mr. Trump said during an Oval Office event. He added, “I like to make a final decision one second before it’s due, you know, because things change.”
It's like he's a standup comedian doing a routine pretending to be the president.
"Okay, so I'm the president... Don't laugh. I'm serious here. I'm in the Oval. The media is there. They all wanna know - will decide that the US goes to war? I tell the media 'I have ideas as to what to do,' 'cause I do have ideas. War? Maybe? I could go to in that direction. Or maybe not. Bad? Very, very bad? I got ideas. I got lots of ideas. Anybody can have ideas."
"And maybe I say 'Final decision? Americans like entertainment and tv. The big reveal is very, very important and things change. So, look, I'll make the final final decision - like - one second before I have to..."
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Rolling Stone article
Fox News Is Demanding War With Iran. Donald Trump Is Listening
Trump’s heavy consumption of Fox News content is increasing his appetite for direct military confrontation with Iran
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Iranian air defenses report that they shot down a fifth Zionist F-35:
An Israeli F-35 fighter jet has been downed near the city of Varamin, about 35 kilometers in southeast of Tehran, the Varamin governor announced on Wednesday morning.
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/233287/Iran-downs-Israeli-F-35-fighter-jet-near-Tehran
Israel told me Iran keeps shooting down their F-35s so I asked how many F-35 they have and they said they just goes to the USA and get a new F-35 afterwards so I said it sounds like they're just feeding F-35s to Iran and then their daughter started crying.
Did we ever actually get visual confirmation on any of these?
How are you going to get visual confirmation of a plane that is literally invisible?
I thought this until I was like 12, at which point I realized how stupid it would be because planes aren't detected by people looking for them with binoculars
Not yet. But I do not see a good reason to doubt the reports. For instance, in 1999, Yugoslavian air defenses shot down a stealth F-117 with a, then, nearly 40 year old air defense system.
No.
I really hope this is true so that the US suffers when they attack
I really hope to see the Americans sense of invincibility shattered if(when?) they attack Iran. I want to see their "stealth" aircraft being shot down, I want to see marines floundering on the beaches being lit up by drones, and most of all 
I want to see an American carrier sink to the bottom of the sea
We'll get the last one for sure but it's going to be a controlled detonation / false flag op on the Nimitz.
Then Trump will try and erase Juneteenth by calling it "Patriot Heroes of the Sunken Nimitz Day" or something.
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God I hope this is true. Nothing better than seeing zionazi military spending go right down the toilet.
I need to seeeeeee
These guys have gotta stop until they can provide evidence, this is getting absurd.
I want to believe
"To the residents of the occupied lands in Al-Quds:
The armed forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran, relying on the brave Iranian people, have dismantled the air defense systems of the Zionist army in several past operations, and today, the skies of the occupied territories have opened their arms to Iranian missiles and drones.
The missile strikes will be precise and continuous. As you saw yesterday, Mossad and “Aman” (military intelligence) headquarters, as well as air force bases of the Zionist army, were targeted across various parts of the occupied territories.
The Commander of the IRGC had warned: "The gates of hell will be opened upon you."
The missiles of the Aerospace Force will not allow you a single moment outside your underground shelters and it has now been days since you’ve seen sunlight.
Be certain: the sirens will not fall silent for even a moment. You must choose between a slow death in a hellish life within the shelters, or a swift escape from the lands your forefathers stole; perhaps you’ll find life beyond the hell that is coming."
this feels like a bit of an exaggeration but the vibes are very much there at least
Be certain: the sirens will not fall silent for even a moment. You must choose between a slow death in a hellish life within the shelters, or a swift escape from the lands your forefathers stole; perhaps you’ll find life beyond the hell that is coming."
Yes yes, talk dirty to me, babe. 
It would be good if they started attacking Gaza territory held by Israelis and the Al Quds could advance
probably not accurate enough to be 100% sure that they won't hit Palestinians, and Israel would, for the first time in history, pretend to care that a Palestinian person has died so as to generate propaganda against Iran
If only. Sadly I dont think they have missiles capable of the kind of accuracy to be used as any kind of reliable air support.
If they start causing attrition to the warplanes and somehow force Israel into redeploying more forces beyond Gaza there's a chance the attrition rate if IOF thugs can increase too.
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Here's a thought
Wouldn't it be kind of an economic "nuke" to close the strait of Hormuz and bomb every major oil facility in the comprador states in the middle east? The oil price would skyrocket which would be political death sentence to many Western politicians
[probably not a very original thought]
Iran could do both parts of this, and has in the past stated a willingness to close Hormuz and to make comprador states pay. It’s probably the biggest card it could play. If it does go through with it then basically every country will be at least a bit upset with it, but it’s certainly not out of the question if the US enters the war.
If Iran does it, they better hope it works, because that is basically the last card they have to play. They are wise to keep that in their back pocket as long as they can.
this is irans exact plans btw. In 2019 they (or the Houthis depending on who you believe) bombed a single oil processing facility in Saudi Arabia with a few cruise missiles and drones, which took out five percent of the world's oil production instantly. Half of Saudi arabia's output was gone in a few hours.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack
The thousands of Shaheds are not for Israel.
As far as I know, Iran has treated that as their deterrent against zionazi aggression, but that has simply not shown itself to be true as clearly it has not prevented the aggression from the genocidal death cult.
What is astounding is that (if we put Israel to the side for a bit), and consider other Western states, like the EU... well even they don't seem to respect the fact that Iran could fuck up European economy for several years in a single night of bombing
If they do, it'll be the biggest action any country has taken to combat climate change in history
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Does anybody have info with at least a few salient details on this vagueness?
The Guardian
The US military has moved some aircraft and ships from bases in the Middle East that may be vulnerable to any potential Iranian attack, two US officials have told Reuters. The officials, who were speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the move was a part of planning to protect US forces. They declined to say how many aircraft or ships had been moved and where they would be going.
One of the officials said US naval vessels had been moved from a port in Bahrain, where the military’s 5th fleet is located, while aircraft that were not in hardened shelters had been moved from Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar. “It is not an uncommon practice. Force protection is the priority,” the official said. Iran has said to Washington that it will respond firmly to the United States if it becomes directly involved in Israel’s military campaign, the Iranian ambassador to the United Nations in Geneva said on Wednesday.
Dominos near pentagon and the White House are getting really busy atm
Do they not have their own cooks? Do they really eat that shit?
I hope they all choke to death
Imagine selling your soul to become a cog in the genocidal child killing machine and still only getting dominoes at your pizza party.
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You ever wonder if the feds force the fast food places around DC to do security checks on their people?
Hello yes I am submitting my resume to work at your wonderful dominos establishment located at EDIT: PARODY STREET SATIRE CITY
I’m normal and won’t put 2c-B into the sauce
smh dont give the feds the good stuff give them some datura
I'll admit I've never heard of two-see-bee before, but imagine say that comment sounds a bit too close to be an adventurism
Hmmm while I was referring to a fictional hypothetical person that’s not me I could see why you might view it as fed posting ; remove it at your discretion ! I can’t help but be funny
It’s a novel psychedelic the worst it does is nausea on the onset.
We can compromise by changing a part of that address to bikini bottom or some shit since squidward's obviously more radically twisted 
than all of us combined
: "There are many underground facilities in Iran, most have not been affected at all. The Iranian population seems to be rallying around its leadership."
underground facilities
hamas tunnels in Iran!?
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