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This one is pretty unforgivable. Supposedly the ability to detect these situations was added in December (according to the article) but it's clearly not working very well. Something like this should 100% pause the rollout of robo-taxis.
For normal cars though, the drivers should press the brakes to disable FSD when they see their car not slowing down when approaching a stopped bus like this.
Except the big danger with fully self driving cars is that drivers are not paying attention at all as they have nothing to do most of the time. They'll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths. So such a glaring safety flaw will have numerous opportunities to happen in real life - humans do not make good safety features in cars; thats what the self drive stuff was for.
Teslas self drive technology is not fit for the roads regardless of this. Musk had sensors stripped out pf the cars design to save money because apparently he knows better than all the worlds self drive engineers. The guy is a just an investment bro woth a huge ego - he can't let the people hes investing in get onwith it, because he sees himself as a "genius". The guys a moron.
Linus tech tips recently reviewed a car with semi auto self driving. It can keep you in the lane and at the right speed. He said it’s perfect for school zones because he knows he doesn’t have to watch the Speedo and give that extra attention to watching for kids walking out. I have to agree with him, there is a school on my commute and the speed drops to 20mph. I let the car do that bit while I worry about little (or sometimes big) feet.
Would I trust that system to spot a child before I do? Not a chance.
Tesla self driving is already responsible for the deaths of multiple people.
They weren't held accountable for those.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
If regular school shootings were no reason to actually do something, why would regular deadly accidents with self driving systems be one? I'm always amazed by what Americans are willing to tolerate.
Much like the mass shootings in the U.S., there's literally no solution for this. /s
Well, what are we 'aposta do?!
Strangle these defenseless corporations with the same kind of regulations we continue to create and impose on small businesses? Do you even know who their father is?!
So motorcyclists weren't enough, they're going after kids now? Did they move their headquarters to israel?
I knew I was better than a Tesla. I actually got my Class A for driving a school bus. I can legally drive pretty much anything on wheels, because the school bus pretty much requires everything. Even hazardous material training. Just in case the government needs to use a school bus to offload nuclear waste or something. I just like to think the kids are toxic. 🤷🏻♂️
When I worked with kids, there were a lot of biohazards. Mostly shit, snot, and piss, but on a bus you'll probably get a fair bit of puke too. I'm guessing the driver has to clean the bus.
I guess there's going to be a lot of heroes popping Robo-Taxi tires. To protect their community and all that.
I recall that people blocked Waymo cars at one point by simply placing orange cones in front of them. Given Teslas only use cameras I wonder if you could just slap a sticker of an orange cone (or just a splash of orange paint) on the hood and confuse it enough that it wouldn’t move…
Edit: Or, if you really want to be a dick, get some black stickers (the stronger the glue the better) and surreptitiously put them over one or more cameras.
Given Teslas only use cameras
This still blows my mind. My fucking robot vacuum uses LiDAR, and multi-ton vehicles on public roads use cameras? Jesus Christ.
"Well you see lidar cameras are expensive. Yeah... that's the excuse. No more questions" - Tesla whenever they are asked to explain themselves
Actually the excuse Musk uses is that humans only use their eyes to drive, so that’s enough for cars as well.
Wrong on so many levels…
Right... except for hearing horns, sirens or brakes screeching. Feeling a bump in the road and using the tactile feedback to determine if you should swerve or stop.
Elon Musk has been chaffeured the vast majority of his life and it shows.
It's because it was so good that it knew it was a dummy and not a child /s
Let's not get carried away pretending America cares too much about children dying frfr.
Yeah once they're out of the womb, fuck 'em. We only care about the unborn.
They don't actually care about the unborn either. They just want women to suffer, that's always been the only goal.
The article doesn’t mention anything about where the cars will be driving in Austin, but I reluctantly took a Waymo from the airport in Phoenix to a hotel and it did really well. Even slowed down for a guy who was jaywalking.
It ended up taking longer than expected because apparently they’re either require or trained on different roads than you would normally take (e.g. no highways). It did such a good job, though, that I ended up taking a Waymo a second time while there.
All this to say that it may not be ready for all roads, but is ready for some. Definitely still scary though.
I believe Waymo has a better set of sensors (Lidar + Radar+ Cameras instead of just cameras), more processing power, and more research / time / resources spent on it compared to Tesla.
So it's not that we aren't ready for self driving taxis, but rather about which cars are ready to provide that service
I think Waymo is also trying to prioritize safety. I was in San Francisco recently and took one, just out of curiosity, from my hotel to a Giants game. It seemed to stop when pedestrian traffic got heavy instead of going all the way to the stadium. So, like three blocks from the stadium. No biggie. I might have told a human taxi driver I could walk from there.
I’m not sure if it’s a California regulation or Waymo trying to play it safe but I will never get in a self-driving car regulated by Texas and designed to the specifications of one of history’s biggest dumbasses.
Waymo is really interesting - you probably wouldn't guess it, I'm a cautiously optimistic autonomy person! Waymo is already 12x safer than human drivers, that's brilliant, I love that.
Teslas will (allegedly) start on a small, low-complexity street grid in Austin. exact size TBA. Presumably, they're mapping the shit out of it and throwing compute power at analyzing their existing data for that postage stamp.
The rub... that all points out the obvious danger of rolling out the wild-west FSD that Tesla drivers are currently employing everywhere else. If it's safe enough to trust to drive your car for you, why does it need a ton of additional guard-rails to operate without a safety driver?
I am optimistic about self driving, just not Teslas. Unlike other self driving cars, Tesla is exlusively reliant on cameras. Others, like Waymo, have cameras, lidarr sensors and radar.
Texas releasing these things in public is horrifying. Tesla is last in this field, and refuses to add LIDAR, which is obviously what is needed.
If their "AI" wind shield wipers could identify.....rain?....I'd be more hopeful about identifying a child.
Move fast and break things!
Move fast and break ~~things~~ schoolchildren!
Tesla be like: Yeet the child!
I wonder if the FSD disengaged mere seconds before impact so Tesla can blame anything but their shitty software.
Can't wait for the robo taxis to get vandalized.
Barring that, can't wait until they fail miserably.
It hits the road in America. And considering the state of that country, this isn’t even near the list of problems atm.
