[alt text: Text which says, "The 2 genders according to chuds". Below the text is two images. On the left is an image of Geralt from The Witcher 3, and he is labeled, "Male, parentheses (white)". On the right is an image of Ciri from The Witcher 4 trailer, and she is labeled, "Political".]
Remember there are two religions
Christian and Political
two races
White and Political
two genders
Male and Political
Two sexual orientations: Straight and political.
I wish people would just laugh at them, and tell them how fucking ridiculous they look and then promptly leave their asses behind and move on. Instead, we get news articles about a minority of people who have shit opinions about things they have no understanding of.
Kamela's early campaign of just calling Trump "weird" was all about this, for some reason she dropped it in favor of kissing the asses of the Cheneys for no payoff.
It's because it was actually a Walz thing, and she sidelined Walz for some reason.
I wish people would just laugh at them, and tell them how fucking ridiculous they look and then promptly leave their asses behind and move on. Instead, we get news articles about a minority of people who have shit opinions about things they have no understanding of.
We tried that with GamerGate, and it didn't work. Keeping bad people away from levers of power requires constant diligence; we cannot simply dismiss and move on, because then while we are looking away, the trolls continue to build their base. I'm a strong believer in the power of memes in our modern digital age. Try to write a bunch of articles about a problem like this, and most folks will only absorb the pithy headline. Some will read the article, but mostly only college-educated folks. Instead, make a meme about it that distills the logic of your opponent down to its ridiculous conclusion, and suddenly everyone gets it. (this isn't to say we should never write an article to explore the nuance of a point, just arguing for the value of leftist memes)
We have the discussion out in the open so that the kids and other uneducated folks can read a variety of opinions. If we don't, the trolls swoop up and try to turn them into incels.
Delete this post right now before the feds find it.
I don't really understand people saying it's not part of the lore. I did the expansions and everything. I got the ending, assuming that I remember correctly, where Ciri becomes a witcher. And in the expansions, Geralt just wanted to retire on a mountain vineyard in not-France.
One thing I was thinking of with the announcement is what would they do with the witcher powers, but from the electric punch in the preview, my guess is they're going to expand her psychic powers to take the place of witcher powers.
I'm looking foward to it. It looks kick ass.
Also - are there actually as many compaints as people make it out to be? Like I've never met anyone in real life who didn't like that a game featured a woman.
as someone who read the books (like 10 years ago so i could be wrong), I'm pretty certain it is not psychic powers, but spellcasting. Ciri trained under Yennefer and went to sorceress school for while. Geralt has the Witcher signs, which are like an elementary form of spellcasting, but Ciri learned a bit more than Geralt. Separately, she also has her warping power that is completely unique to her and very important in the lore, but I won't say more for sake of spoilers. I don't remember how much of this they cover in the games.
100%! You can totally see her draw elemental magic from the water running down the cave wall then cast it as ball lightning (or electricity at least?). She uses both Quen and Igni in the trailer too though. There's also book lore about magic that could lend itself well to game play, like the costs of casting more than you've drawn and the skill required to draw from different "elemental planes." Witcher mage would be a fun build!
I just ignore the idiots. I have wanted a Ciri game ever since I played W3 almost 10 years ago.
She's literally supposed to become a Witcher in her own right. Geralt isn't training her to be his eternal assistant or some kind of sidepiece, after all.
It would be neat if this leads to two storylines that sometimes intersect.
Who played the witcher 3 and didn't want more Ciri gameplay? Wtf? The agile movement was so fun. Best parts of the game fight-wise.
These people didn't play Witcher 3. It's mostly right wing rage bait podcasts. They'll move on to a different side thing to be mad about in a few days.
Here, me. The Ciri parts were like someone shoved a linear action adventure into the open world RPG I wanted to play.
I wanted to progress the main story but every time it was a ciri part I was trying to rush through to get back to Geralt and go kill monsters and collect items lol
I didn't like the ciri parts, I just wanted to play as Geralt tbh
Developing from a pretty, young, "vulnerable" girl that needs saving (even though she's already tough as hell in TW3) into an older (chud translation: "ugly") main protagonist fighting back against the patriarchy has these fools spitting with outrage. Here's hoping CDPR doesn't give them an inch.
She aged naturally! Ugh, she was my hot sexy daughter in Witcher 3! Why would they... Have her grow up?! /s
Only thing I'm hesitant about is the actor, but I'm willing to give her a shot. Minor thing.
I doubt CDPR went into this without knowing how incels would react, and knowing they'll still buy it. After CP2077 with the whole customize genitals issue (that I'm sure most people had forgotten about), I don't think CDPR cares. They're Polish, I hope they laugh at our stupid ass "culture war" bullshit
Don't kid yourself, the culture war bullshit has been exported worldwide, all thanks to the internet. For instance, there used to be self-declared "LGBTQ-ideology-free zones" in Poland until February this year.
Please stop blaming those things on everything except people. I’m Polish. Polish people drink homophobia with their mothers milk. We didn’t need to import it from US or Russia (it’s still better than in the 90s). Average developer is a young male who predominantly votes for outright fascists. The reason CDPR appears progressive is because they calculated it to be more profitable.
I bet the people complaining with "what about the lore" have a big overlap with the people that wanted Ciri to be a love interest in W3...
They exist? But she's practically his daughter🤢
The key words here being "I bet..."
OP is just raging at no one in particular.
"Uhm, actually, if you think of the historic period..."
Or some bullshit like that. Screw these morons, seriously.
I'm 100% for Ciri being the main character and I'm also complaining "what about the lore". You can do both at the same time. There's a vocal minority of people who'll use the lore argument to be sexist assholes, but people who have actually read and understood the books can have some valid concerns (ie where and how did she go through the trials, why can she use magic again, where did she even find how to do the trials, and just... why? She didn't need them and it's a bit of a character regression. She was basically already a witcher by title.)
I just had a conversation with someone about this on Lemmy a few days ago. His response was to call the choice "modern identity politics" and then back up his point by saying he always chose the female choice in games if he could. As if he did it from any belief that women are strong and capable and didn't just want to see a woman on his screen. And the comment reeks of "I'm not racist! I have a black friend!" vibes.
Anyway he ended up saying Lemmy was just like Reddit and... oh, now he's in a different thread aggravating people and saying the same thing that Lemmy is intolerant.
Why isn't the lady who's been training all her life to fight monsters in my grounded low fantasy game made to look like she comes from the place it is set, the same as my ones in Stellar Blade!?!?!
I've been slightly out of the loop on this, are incels really whining about Witcher 4 using Ciri as a protagonist because she's a woman?
No. They're whining about Witcher 4 using Ciri as a protagonist because they think she was made ugly.
Attractive women designed solely to be the object of male affection are allowed to be protagonists. When a woman stands on their own as a unique complex individual, they take issue.
Chuds thought Aloy had a beard because she had peach fuzz. They don't know what a real woman looks like and they don't want to know.
To fair, the "peach fuzz" was a superfluous addition.
As much as I enjoyed Horizon, it was very much a 'one and done' game for me. I would have liked more emphasis on replayability than skin textures and raytracing.
But that's just me. I'm old-school.
It's not an "either - or" thing. The artists modeling fine details like peach fuzz had nothing to do with the game's design and it also had no influence on how replayable the game would be.
Ofcause it does. What part of a game that gets attention is a choice.
From visuals to gameplay to sound design and so on. Everything has a priority.
And with priority comes allocation of resources.
A AAA game will have these kinds of details today, because it's expected by customers. AAA(A) games that don't (looking at you, Ubisoft, with your shoddy animations) get relentlessly mocked unless they excel in every other area. First party Sony titles in particular are expected to push technical boundaries (at least of their hardware) in some way or another. That's part of the reason why people are buying these games and the systems they are running on. This isn't an optional thing, it's not a choice, it's the baseline.
You also have to consider that even if this wasn't the case, you can't just radically change the way studios are being organized. Large studios are art-heavy in terms of their manpower, in large part because it's very easy to produce tons of game assets in parallel. It's not easy to hire or retrain people after a switch in priorities and it's much more difficult to apply the same kind of manpower to game design tasks. The old saying that nine women can't birth a baby in one month applies here as well.
Taking a rough look at the credits, Horizon Zero Dawn had 30 designers working on it (world, quest, writing, etc.). Compare this to 57 coders coding things and 148 artists creating audio and visual assets. There are other departments like production, marketing, HR, etc. that I'm not counting, but I think you get the picture.
Yes, but it's by choice. Big companies aren't trying to impress nerds. Their demographic is everyone that is easily fascinated by "shiny" things.
The hardware it was made for also prioritized resolution over frames per second. So hyper realism became a focal point of many of the AAA games created. And hyper realism is a one-way street (aesthetically speaking).
It culminates in Hellblade. With ridiculously stunning visuals, but little else going for it.
At what point would you say that a game isn't a game anymore, but closer to an interactive movie?
Normally drag would agree, but outing every misogynist who doesn't know what a woman looks like is a worthy goal
I would have liked more emphasis on replayability than skin textures and raytracing.
Reminds me of the whole kerfuffle of western devs bashing elden ring, a significant portion of which could be summed up as "why would you put something in the game without a big map marker showing them where it is???????"
The bad reactions to this seemed minimal to me, but my god the woman in the Galactic trailer is driving them nuts.
Which I really don't understand, because I find her look and vibe the good part of that trailer. The slurping drink and forced pop song on the other hand...
They seem to hate Naughty Dog ever since they made them play as a lesbian instead of a generic white guy.
I do like to see those people triggered. I can see them being angry at rainbows for making the sky gay.
Also, I hope I spend this game collecting so much 80s music that I feel like I'm back in Vice City.
someone should endeavor to make The Most Political Game In The World by simply having no white male characters in it at all.
Portal was a hit.
And originally created by a university design team with a female design lead, at that.
Even as Portal 2 adds male characters, one is greedy and responsible for all the conflict in the franchise, acting as something of a caricature for masculine stereotypes, and the other's only defining trait is that he's an easily corrupted idiot.
Portal is perhaps the best example of, and should be held up as the golden standard of, feminism in gaming.
Women’s bodies are the battlefield of the 21st, and every other Century.
From video gaming to card games and stuff in between, if it's gaming you can probably discuss it here!
Please Note: Gaming memes are permitted to be posted on Meme Mondays, but will otherwise be removed in an effort to allow other discussions to take place.
See also Gaming's sister community Tabletop Gaming.
This community's icon was made by Aaron Schneider, under the CC-BY-NC-SA 4.0 license.