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[-] RQG@lemmy.world 223 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Toxicologist here. I think that take is dishonest or dumb.

Taking a lethal dose is almost never the concern with any substance in our drinking water.

Hormones, heavy metals, persistent organic chemicals, ammonia are all in our drinking water. But for all of them we can't drink enough water to die from a high dose.

Some of them still have a large effect on our bodies.

It's about the longterm effects. Which we need longterm studies to learn about. That makes them harder to study.

Still doesn't mean flouride does anything bad longerm. But the argument is bad.

[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 96 points 5 days ago

Yeah, by this argument lead in the water isn't a concern.

[-] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 95 points 5 days ago

You just made me mad by helping me realize that the Trump bros are going to break water by removing fluoride long before they fix water by removing lead.

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[-] refalo@programming.dev 4 points 3 days ago

never the concern

It is when you're responding to people who think 5G is turning the frogs gay and activating hidden vaccine microchips.

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[-] sudoer777@lemmy.ml 27 points 4 days ago

dihydrogen monoxide is also dangerous, we must ban it as well

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[-] madjo@feddit.nl 10 points 3 days ago

For what’s it worth, in my country (Netherlands), we don’t add fluoride to our tap water anymore since the early 70s. We just have it in our toothpaste (though you can also get fluoride free toothpaste for those who don’t want it).

Sure there’s still traces of fluoride in our water, as it appears in nature. But it’s not artificially added by our water companies.

[-] scholar@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Most places that do add it to the water supply match the levels of places where flouride occurs naturally

[-] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 87 points 5 days ago

Oh yeah? And what if someone ignores that, simply lies and says it's toxic? I'm convinced!

[-] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago

And both of these people telling me about fluoride in water are both experts in their field. One an expert toxicologist, and the other an expert liar. Now I don't know what to believe.

[-] 4oreman@lemy.lol 37 points 4 days ago

This is a conspiracy by fluoridians.

[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

Thats what the fluoridiots say.

[-] 4oreman@lemy.lol 16 points 4 days ago
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[-] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 4 days ago

Yeah but I read an article on a bullshit website. I think some no name website knows more than a toxicologist

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Why is some dumb scientist expert trying to tell me, a person who pays for an internet connection, what the truth is?

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 62 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The fluoride added to water gets it up to 0.7mg/liter.

That ends up to be 2 or 3 drops in a 55 gallon drums worth of water. Not much.

Fluoride is a natural substance and is found in many areas drinking water already. Many areas in much higher concentrations than 0.7mg/liter, so realistically people all over the world have drank fluoridated water for thousands of years.

You have to well over double the 0.7 before any health issues may appear and the first to appear is at about triple the concentration in kids under 8 years old who drink it for years getting spots on their teeth. The spots are only superficial.

Going into concentrations even higher than that CAN cause health issues when drank for longer periods of time. All of those cases being from naturally occurring fluoride, which actually effects somewhere north of 20% of the world's population.

Which makes the argument that fluoride in our water keeps us passive as being extra stupid, since water sourced around Columbia (the country) is far higher than .07mg/liter and Columbia seems to be caught in violence and turmoil and instability quite a bit over the decades.

*edit: Colombia

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[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago

So, once again, DHMO is the chemical we need to fear.

[-] bradinutah@thelemmy.club 29 points 5 days ago

The stuff also known as hydric acid. People just don't talk enough about how corrosive it is. Plus, it gets in the air and gets in your lungs!

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[-] Heavybell@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

The people who need to hear this sadly would not believe that too much water can kill you even if you showed them someone die from it, I fear. I'd also be shocked if they read "water poisoning" and didn't think of poisoned water.

I didn’t know this was a thing when I was younger, but not young enough to not be classified as a moron.

Drank about 7-8 litres of water in 3 hours without going to the bathroom as a contest against a work colleague. Suffice to say I started feeling a little off on the way home, even after going to the bathroom. Years later I finally learned you can drown yourself from drinking too much and the symptoms were eerily close to what I experienced that night.

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[-] wolfshadowheart@leminal.space 21 points 4 days ago

Back when I was in college, people didn't like fluoride because it calcifies the pinneal gland. I assume that rhetoric has only been further exaggerated over the years

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

It does do this. However so does ageing, low sunlight exposure, low altitude, ethnicity, sex, nutrition, neuro-divergence, cell phone use, EM fields... you get the idea.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 11 points 4 days ago

Don't forget the gravitational pull of Betelgeuse. In a very, very small way, that also effects calcification of the pineal gland.

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[-] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Another point that conspiracy bros will bring up is that fluoride is a toxic byproduct of aluminum manufacture and dumping it into the water supply is a cheap way for Alcoa to dispose of it benevolently.

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago

I believe the objection to fluoride is that it is a tranquilizer that keeps us from achieving glory through violent uprising... or sweet sweet dentist profits.

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