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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 20 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I totally believe police sincerely think they can tell based on experience, but it's false confidence.

Story time: One night on my way home I was pulled over for a broken taillight, which I truthfully told the officer I wasn't aware of. After taking another look she gave me a warning but said, with a little lilt in her voice, "Lotta dust in there, looks like it's been broken for a while... surprised you haven't noticed it." As if she "knew" I was lying, because cops have heard it all before.

I really wanted to unload on her that I was on my way home from working at my job and then taking my shift sitting in the hospital room keeping my 10-year-old daughter company until she fell asleep. She had been undergoing cancer treatments for the last 2 months. So excuse the hell outta me but there were a lot of things I'd missed lately. Like Thanksgiving. And Christmas. And apparently a broken taillight. I'll get to it when I get to it but I can't make any promises.

That smirky little accusing tone of voice still sticks with me after 20 years. So fuck your smug-ass attitude, Officer I Know What I Know, because no you sure as fucking hell didn't.

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 4 points 25 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago)

Officer threatened to slam my dad on the ground in front of us all for telling him politely to have a nice day.

Officer screamed at us in high school when we called for help because someone was beating up our friend then did nothing.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 51 minutes ago

I've only been too high to drive once. And you know what? I didn't drive. I was too high.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

As virtually anyone who has ever been to college knows: they can't.

[-] Pulptastic@midwest.social 14 points 1 hour ago

Sir, your skin is too dark to drive

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 3 points 47 minutes ago

Stoned folks will drive straighter than an arrow at slower speeds. They are safer than an asswipe glued to their Galaxy or iPhone.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Oh then they can come back with a fucking warrant like any other “we can tell you committed a crime”

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 29 points 3 hours ago

ah yes, the police. the people with a reputation for always properly assessing every situation

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 38 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Drunk driving is a legitimate concern. High driving, despite the vilifying by police, simply doesn't have even a modest fraction of the stats to back it up. And anecdotally is not remotely the same as alcohol.

Elderly driving is the conversation we don't apparently want to have. Just because Gamgam can still get around on her own, in the house she's lived in for 40 years, does NOT make her capable of driving a two ton piece of metal.

Their reaction speed is like a drunk person. Their decision making skills, also akin to drunk people. Elderly drivers injure and/or kill pedestrians and drivers every year, and we're supposed to be OK with it because they're old? Fuck no. They should be tested every year if they still want to drive, and losing their license means losing their vehicle too.

[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 20 points 2 hours ago

This is yet another reason we desperately need good public transit. We all get old. Why do we have to choose between endangering other people's lives and participating in society?

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 15 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Because the auto industry paid lobbyists for decades to prevent the spread of local and national rail and tram lines?

Sorry, that's kind of an oblique answer, the direct answer is money. A few extraordinarily wealthy people made a few more people rich by sacrificing what is right and good for America, with what is convenient and enriching for them. And now all our urban areas are designed for cars instead of people, which makes them shitty and inhospitable.

As a society, we would understand better, if more of us had the ability and desire to see how other industrialized nations live, but instead we just ramrod "American exceptionalism" until lil Johnny thinks his patch of Iowa, or Alabama, or Texas or wherever is equal to, or superior to anywhere else. All without ever having to leave the state, at all. I mean, what if they don't have FOOD there?

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 22 points 3 hours ago

Everyone should be tested periodically for reaction time and situational awareness. Every two years if you want to keep your license.

“Boo hoo! That means people won’t be able to drive if they don’t pass!”

GOOD.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 hours ago

It blows my mind how easy it is for drunk drivers to get back behind the wheel. Once someone has proven how overwhelmingly selfish and foolish they are, it's unfair to everyone else to put us in that danger.

So our solution is simply to weaken civil liberties for everyone with unreasonable searches.

[-] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

I've nearly been mowed down by elderly drivers on numerous occasions. It's a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

[-] christopher@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 hour ago

I hope when I'm too old to drive I have the good sense to quit.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 21 points 4 hours ago

Cobb County Police in Georgia got some bad press for this a few years back. An officer took a weekend course to certify he could tell when people were drunk or high, and then he ruined a bunch of innocent people’s lives.

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/investigations/the-drug-whisperer-drivers-arrested-while-stone-cold-sober/85-437061710

[-] noxy@yiffit.net 13 points 4 hours ago

if a police is saying something, that police is lying

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 18 points 5 hours ago

We give someone with a high school diploma a few weeks of training a badge and a gun. They don't even have to fully understand the law.

And now they can tell if you're high or not from first sight.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

You don't think cops cant tell what's white or wrong?

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 61 points 8 hours ago

I mean, so can I in a sense -- guys passed out on my couch. "Yup, he's too high to drive."

In seriousness, I wish they'd just bust people driving recklessly. It's almost every day now that I'm almost side swiped by an aggressive muscle car driver; it's driving me crazy. I don't care what they're on, alcohol, cocaine, meth, or just pure uncut Machismo, I need those people fucking jailed before it's my kid on the news about getting hit and run'd.

[-] pinkystew@reddthat.com 6 points 5 hours ago

We as a society must have a solution which is not the police solving every fucking inconvenience. They are literally killing us in our own homes. Please do the difficult mental work of figuring out a better solution than "call the cops". I know it's convenient but our overreliance on it has resulted in one the greatest incarceration crisis of our lifetime. I know you're angry but please start thinking of other ways to solve problems.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

You aren’t wrong but the overincarceration is largely sentence lengths not arrest rates

[-] CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Get rid of stops for small shit like expired tabs or dim taillights so traffic cops can focus on unsafe driving. John Oliver did a pretty good piece on this recently.

https://youtu.be/E8ygQ2wEwJw?si=Hse7NbqRhwlQEEa8

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Odd for you to call vehicular manslaughter an inconvenience, but let's be clear: you can both reduce police involvement where it is not needed (such as mental health crisis) while still maintaining some order for actual dangerous offenders. You can also approach a problem from multiple angles, such as making prisons more about rehabilitation than punishment, or addressing future crime by investing in education and family welfare.

None of that means you also can't address a very local problem of 40,000 annual hit and runs with 8,000 deaths. Living in South LA, you literally see street take overs at least once a week usually with stolen cars. Doing two things at once- that is, addressing the current problems while also preventing future ones- shouldn't be difficult for someone "doing the mental work" like yourself.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Actual reckless driving needs to be enforced though. It needs to be something you go to jail for, your car gets towed, and you can't drive again until the fine is paid, and you take Driver's Ed. There are people out here doing 20+ mph faster than everyone else and weaving through the merge lane and shoulder because the HOV lane and farthest travel lane are flowing at 80 and that's just too slow for them. This is not, "every fucking inconvenience". These people are driving like they're the object of a police chase already and police aren't allowed to do it anymore because it's so dangerous to other people on the road.

So while I get you don't like the police, I'm not sure how else you're going to stop McFuckStick from swiping that family of four into the back of a semi truck.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 31 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The police are legally allowed to lie about everything not under oath or not to another public servant. It is one reason to never bother with their polygraph. They lie about the results, and then act like their lie is proof.

They lie to the press all the time about officers names, ages, and whereabouts. It is their reflex to just lie and worry about it later.

Even breathalyzer are less reliable than the police would dare admit.

[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 6 hours ago

I really wonder what a rebooted from scratch ethical police force would look like. A force with honor and integrity and all those words they print on the side of the cars. A respected, well-paid job.

You know, something like what they show on every TV program airing on CBS, but real.

[-] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It would be full of women, not men. The police have helped domestic abusers and rapists and murderers of women for decades. In fact, a lot of the police force is made of men who have done those exact crimes.

Just like if the medical system were just, doctors would have disabilities. As it is, almost no person with a disability can really make it through med school and residency to become a doctor.

This is the essence of why representation matters, and why one big powerful group shouldn't have total power over another group.

[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

It's tricky, since you have inherent power imbalances and the jobs dangerous on top of that. I think you can look at Japans older model where they basically just have a pen and paper and chill out in kobans (corner police boxes) to just help people with directions and any disorders. Less heroic TV types and more glorified public assistants.

Would never fly here, but police are adorable in Japan.

[-] cynar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

The UK is a lot closer to that (though still has its issues). One of the main differences is the base mentality. America is "police by force", the UK is "police by consent". Our normal police don't even carry guns. The mentality change this creates is huge. They default to trying to deescalate things, and dealing with things calmly. This makes people a lot more responsive to their orders, when required.

Though to note, our officers aren't push overs. Most are fully capable of controlling someone aggressive. We also have armed response. Any mention of a gun involved, and they come in armed and trained to the teeth. We also have a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years for an illegal firearm.

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