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THANKS VERY COOL GOOGLE I'LL JUST LET THE PLAGIARISM MACHINE THAT TELLS PEOPLE TO EAT GLUE AND BURNS DOWN THE RAINFOREST TO DESIGN MY CURRICULUM

ACTUALLY WE PROBABLY DON'T EVEN NEED TEACHERS WHEN WE CAN JUST SIT STUDENTS DOWN IN FRONT OF A CHROMEBOOK AND FEED THEM AI SLOP ALL DAY AND THEN THEY CAN USE AI TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS

screm-aAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 hours ago

I hate how crazy I feel for caring about everything

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 24 points 18 hours ago

Hey teachers you know that thing you're telling all your students off for using and has been actively ruining your ability to teach because students that use AI to do work don't actually learn anything? You should use that thing already ruining education to plan your lessons!

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 23 points 18 hours ago

AI student essays written to AI teacher prompts

[-] Edie@hexbear.net 13 points 17 hours ago
[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 16 points 17 hours ago

i'm unironically in a uni class where our weekly discussion posts (ie have to write 3 short paragraphs a week) are graded by AI. professor says the system should give full credit if it can tell what you're saying has some substance and is relevant to the weekly text, but it often seems like when i write something original it gives my reply a C and when i say anything buzzwordy and devoid i get an A

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 17 points 17 hours ago

This is malpractice. Disgusting

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 10 points 17 hours ago

The results it gives will be based on the patterns of the training material. If your response says a lot of the common words that the A* essays in its training material commonly use then it'll give A*. If it doesn't have a lot in common with them then it won't.

You can probably write literal garbage that a human being can't read but get an A* from the machine because it sees a lot of the same words that are in high graded training papers.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

but it often seems like when i write something original it gives my reply a C and when i say anything buzzwordy and devoid i get an A

Working as intended for techbro ideology: they want obedient workers that can recite pre-determined answers and repeat cliches. corporate-art

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 10 points 16 hours ago

The entire thing is automated at every level at the low low price of burning the fucking planet to ashes. elmofire

[-] ghosts@hexbear.net 52 points 21 hours ago

I personally love how when you google something now, you have to scroll down a page past the wrong answer before you see your search results. And no way to disable it! Neat!

[-] ghosts@hexbear.net 46 points 21 hours ago

Oh, and another thing! AI article summarizers for articles that are also obviously AI slop lmao

We are climbing down a rabbit hole into endless agony for no reason

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 14 points 18 hours ago

there's a reason, it's the same reason everything always gets worse everywhere over time

the falling rate of profit. AI is the new moonshot where potential profit can still be generated (since it's a giant speculative money pit).

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 21 points 19 hours ago

AI article summarizers for articles that are also obviously AI slop lmao

Regenerative AI   kelly

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 28 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

We are climbing down a rabbit hole into endless agony for no reason

stonks-up and bazingas craving an ascended all-knowing and all-powerful mommy bangmaid helpmeet that loves them unconditionally.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 21 points 20 hours ago

Hi can you remove this image from my mind's eye please? I'm having trouble unseeing it.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 20 hours ago

I wish I could now. negative

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 19 hours ago
[-] DoiDoi@hexbear.net 24 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Google is so bad now that I set my default search to fucking BING

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 21 points 21 hours ago

Google has become unfathomably bad, it gives me the wrong answer consistently. OTOH Bing doesn’t even register the keywords of my search

[-] DoiDoi@hexbear.net 21 points 20 hours ago

There are many way you can register keywords to better improve your search. Jared Billswkay of MLT university suggests that writing down the serial number of your search can help with any future warranty claims while others find that simply taking a photo of the tag is sufficient. With these tips in mind registering your keywords should be a breeze!

[-] Lussy@hexbear.net 18 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Thank you Bing. I was asking about car rentals but I appreciate the help

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[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

In "News" google used to have a "blogs" link. I really like blogs so I used to use that. But google removed it years ago. Then google started helping me I put "blog" in double quotes. Google gave me fewer and fewer blogs results. To fill the void I still got non-blog top sites like Quora and Reddit.

A few days ago I did a test and I learned that google will actively block my efforts to avoid crap if I add "blog" or "blogger" or "wordpress" to my search. I did three test searches - one for each word - and I only got one blog post result after all that effort. And the blog post smelled to high heaven of spam.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 6 points 16 hours ago

And the search results are all people trying to sell you crap.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 19 points 21 hours ago

And the search results are even worse than when it was all SEO somehow.

[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 10 points 19 hours ago

If you're on firefox, get the plugin "Google search engine with udm=14 preset" and set your search engine to that new version of google. It'll automatically switch to "web" results, which removes all the AI garbage.

Alternatively, it seems like you can append "-ai" to any search and it won't show it. No idea if its still running the AI in the background though.

[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 19 points 18 hours ago

zizek-fuck

If we have the teachers use AI and the students use AI then the AI can talk to the AI and we can finally get on with our lives.

agony-limitless

[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 11 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Speed running the collapse

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 33 points 21 hours ago

"The treat printer costs X amount of water, Y amount of pollution allotment, and Z amount of rainforest. How much of your future did I throw away to have googleAI make this question for you?"

shinji-froggy-chair

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 18 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

berdly-actually a sufficient amount of water, pollution allotment, and rainforest destruction will totally reverse the loss of all that water and rainforest and undo the pollution with a future magic tech solution, because that's how a data regurgitator works! berdly-smug

-Actual fucking take from actual fucking bazingas like the CEO of Google.

[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 19 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I hate AI getting shoved into everything.

I use JetBrains Rider to code hobbyist shit and after the most recent update, it started doing this extremely aggressive (and WRONG) code generation that was far more distracting than it could ever be helpful. Well, it can't be AI, because when they added AI I immediately took all steps to disable it.

Wrong! They added more AI. As a new plugin. Had to disable it as well. Like a fucking virus.

And its like... okay maybe I should stop using Rider? So I can just go checks notes use an IDE from a company that has an even bigger stake in AI (Microsoft).

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[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 34 points 22 hours ago

As a teacher, the only things I've found AI to be useful are:

  1. "Give me ten ideas for X". Example: "give me twenty fun ideas for finishing a lesson on volcanos for 13 year olds". Maybe one of those ideas is good and I can adapt it.

  2. "Write an explanation of X and be sure to include the key terms A, B, C, D, etc. Make sure the text is fitting for 14 year olds." Then I'll fix up the explanation because it's still not exactly what I want. I'll delete the key terms and make it into a cloze worksheet.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 32 points 21 hours ago

My school district back in CA was so standardized that I didn't have much room to write my own material because there was almost always another fucking standardized test coming up, often with motivational banners and other nonsense to try to stir engagement and interest from burned out students already tired of the fucking things.

Oh, terrifying thought: what happens when the standardized test corporations start using treat printers to produce the standardized tests and their prep materials? burgerpain

[-] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 31 points 21 hours ago

Boy do I have some news for you: https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/ai-may-be-coming-for-standardized-testing/2024/03

"This could be a step towards figuring out how AI can help educators achieve a long-elusive goal: Creating a new breed of assessments that actually helps inform teaching and learning in real time, he said."

[-] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 28 points 21 hours ago

Complete word salad. What, in this person's mind, does teaching look like when it's not "in real time?" Does he mean having up-to-date information? Because almost everything you learn in K-12 is so foundational it hasn't changed in decades (if not centuries). High school sophomores are not learning about arguments between mathematicians over Newtonian physics and changes to calculus as a result. They're still trying to figure out fucking algebra and geometry.

The information I learned in school that was out of date was mostly in history and economics, which has more to do with state ideology. We were learning what is now considered Holocaust denial as fact. I had to unlearn it as an adult paying attention to what various organizations and experts are saying is current. Adding """"AI"""" isn't going to fix problems problems like this. It could even (and by "could," I mean "100 billion percent will") make things worse.

[-] MuinteoirSaoirse@hexbear.net 19 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

It seems like what they want is to have AI-generated "tasks" that students have to complete to gauge their level of knowledge so that the AI can then generate tests that are more specifically tailored to what that student's trouble spots are. I already hate this, and this is the promise they're leading with, meaning it's the most benign possible application that is the face of the actual terrible ways they will algorithmically decide students' academic potential.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 18 points 21 hours ago

Should make sure the lathe is away from me when I say this, but: I think it means daily or weekly quizes, potentially given to random students that will probably somehow get tied to school funding. Maybe teacher compensation.

Just trying to think of what's the most evil thing a management consultant would think of.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 19 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Should make sure the lathe is away from me when I say this, but: I think it means daily or weekly quizes, potentially given to random students that will probably somehow get tied to school funding. Maybe teacher compensation.

Just trying to think of what's the most evil thing a management consultant would think of.

"No Child Left Behind" from no-oil was bad enough but then obama-medal made it worse with "Race to the Top." It's getting worse from here; I'm not regretting early retirement.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 5 points 16 hours ago

No child left behind Race to the top

Framing education as a competition with winners and losers is derply fucked. That's not how you learn stuff.

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[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 21 points 21 hours ago

Creating a new breed of assessments that actually helps inform teaching and learning in real time, he said."

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[-] cannibalbanquet@hexbear.net 14 points 19 hours ago

Yeah as a former teacher I can imagine ai at actually being useful for putting together some slop for admins to use since they made us produce class scripts every day to submit to school admin that never actually read it, adding like an additional 8 hours of work every week on top of the 80 hours I was already working. Maybe use AI for that and then teach what you wanted to teach.

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[-] dustbunnies@hexbear.net 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

they keep trying to shove it down my throat, too, and I'm just doing small engine repair paperwork

your stupid fucking AI can't respond to Farmer Jane about her Gravely's weird intermittent electrical problem, stop offering to "help"

Try it for free!

guess "free" is the new term for the low low price of trading hours of my time and frustration for some asshole's training algorithms. what a deal! 🤩

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 26 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

"Heh, you sound emotional about this. This is the future; China does it in some way too which means anything goes with LLMs. You can't stop this so you may as well get in on the ground floor and find a real job that won't be replaced by LLMs. I am very leftist." smuglord

Yes, there's a few totally-leftist bootlickers here that have this take and I have a few names in particular I'm keeping to myself.

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[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 17 points 21 hours ago

I don't teach K-12, but isn't the main challenge not lesson planning, but like a lot of crowd control. At least like K-9 I imagine it's a nightmare just keeping kids seated and paying attention.

[-] foxontherocks@hexbear.net 15 points 20 hours ago

Nope, the classroom part is easy. Even if the kids are annoying, most of them will learn. But most importantly the amount of energy you can spend in each class is capped. It is, at worst, 45 minutes of walking and yelling. And admin very rarely watches the classes. They are out of their element in the classes. They just want to see the lesson plans and their expectations for those lesson plans are infinite and bizarre, 6+ pages per 45 minute class, timed to the minute, all content squeezed into a spreadsheet where most columns only have one word and one column has paragraphs, mandatory template looks like shit so they always have something to complain about.

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[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 9 points 18 hours ago

Your mileage may vary, but lesson plans ARE classroom management. Yes I've seen classrooms that absolutely refuse to learn or do any work, but most classes will do work if it's engaging. Engaged classes manage themselves. If they have no interest in doing their work or the work is too easy for them or the work is so hard they can't even start it, then they start distracting themselves and others.

Any support or materials that can be offered to teachers make their lives easier and then they can tailor it to their class.

[-] hexaflexagonbear@hexbear.net 8 points 18 hours ago

That's fair, but while an LLM might be good at giving you a list of topics, or even a loose script for a lecture, coming up with content that keeps a class of children engaged seems like the type of task it won't currently or ever do reliably.

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