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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 141 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

So the meme is in agreement that defacing Stonehenge as a protest was pointless?

There are ways to get attention for a cause without defacing one of the seven wonders of the world. Next time spray that cornstarch in BP’s corporate parking lot.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 120 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The fact that you missed the Stonehenge under water worries me.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

I saw it. That implies that spraying cornstarch won’t change anything. Think about it.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 40 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Oh your a spineless defeatists! Anyways...

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

That’s the implication of the meme.

I think there are better ways to bring attention to the concerns of climate change than defacing Stonehenge.

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[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 81 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Like the 3 private jets that were vandalized with orange paint in London. That's the kind of thing I can support, it makes headlines, it grounds the planes reducing emissions, and it specifically targets those who are causing the most harm.

[–] FluffyPotato@lemm.ee 80 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It hasn't made headlines though. Juststopoil goes after oil terminals, car manufacturers etc pretty often but it's never reported on. The only protest that gets attention is souping painting or spraying cornflour on rocks.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Like the 3 private jets that were vandalized with orange paint in London.

I didn't hear about that.

I am hearing about this.

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[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)

So the meme is in agreement that defacing Stonehenge as a protest was pointless?

The meme is saying you're getting angry about the wrong thing.

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[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Quite literally the opposite, no one will remember that Stonehenge was defaced with cornflour, but we will see and remember climate change.

That's just a meme about the fake outrage used as a diversion, instead of the real issue and why people resort to defacing art and monuments for their cause to be in focus.

Any publicity is good publicity.

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[–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 39 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Now, I am not the biggest fan of those kinds of actions, because they are indeed exploited heavily by the burgeois press, but let's talk about attention. I remember there being at least two paint defacings and damaging of private jets here in Germany in 2023 by similar groups. There was next to no press about it - and if you search for it today, it is genuinely hard to find the articles that even mention them, one I found even focusing on the legal questions of insurance, instead of writing about the broader issues at all:

https://www.t-online.de/region/hamburg/id_100188204/letzte-generation-farbattacke-auf-sylter-privatjet-so-hoch-ist-der-schaden.html https://www.aerotelegraph.com/wer-zahlt-bei-einem-farbanschlag-auf-ein-privatflugzeug

So, you would be surprised - actions that target more "deserving" targets often just.... aren't talked about at all, or very little, small footnotes. This at least starts debates, which cannot be denied.

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

It's not at all one of the seven wonders of the world, is not even the coolest henge in England and like maybe 5 top five in Europe. It's just famous because it was restored well within your parents lifetime for most of us.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Or its a representation of what the future looks like if we keep fighting the people who fight for all of us.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think the punchline goes multiple ways at once: "the protesters were stupid thinking this would help", "the protesters were stupid in how they tried to protest", and "everyone back then was stupid because it's Waterworld now."

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[–] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 68 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Won't you just think of the shareholders? /s

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago

Y'all are protesting the death of humanity wrong /s

[–] MudMan@fedia.io 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Man, the way this channels a mix of "it is the children who are wrong" and sheer impotence is hitting me hard. I mean, it really explains so much about modern activism.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I attended my first protest thirty years ago. Modern activists need to be more clever. Learn the law so you know how to circumvent it. Turning things up to 11 just gets you discredited as “radicals” in the media. It’s a fruitless attempt at awareness that will just get you charged.

[–] Cobrachicken@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (5 children)

How old were you back then? These kids awake to a world fucked up by the older generation. They try to take every step that comes to their mind to steer away from desaster. What is your personal input in that task? Criticism. Well done. Go out and teach them, if you're so clever.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I do. When I attend a protest, I share my knowledge and experience. First rule is keep it safe. Second is keep it legal. Third is keep it together. Fourth is keep it heard.

The key to a successful protest is knowing the law and planning around it before organizing.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Turning things up to 11 just gets you discredited as “radicals” in the media.

Radicals need to exist in order to make the less-radical activists look reasonable by comparison. Otherwise they just get painted as radical no matter how milquetoast their protest is, and the Overton window moves away from their cause.

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[–] perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For reference, Stonehenge is currently about 100 metres above what the UK considers to be mean sea level.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 20 points 2 years ago

But I thought the point of comics was to be scientifically accurate!

[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

made climate activists look stupid for decades to come over some nonsensical and ineffective attention grab

didn't stop climate change

Yeah, seems about right.

They had the right idea when they spray painted those private jets. IDK what they were thinking with the Stonehenge stunt.

[–] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago (14 children)

ineffective attention grab

Seemed to grab your attention.

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IDK what they were thinking with the Stonehenge stunt.

I wouldn't put it past Big Oil to infiltrate climate activist groups to make them appear unlikable. Same with throwing paint on a painting.

[–] cumskin_genocide@lemm.ee 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The only protests I agree with are the ones that don't bother me, are out my way, and have no impact on actually changing things. Also any form of action from a protest should be stopped by the police.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's no stopping climate change in capitalism.

And nothing was done in the way of ending capitalism. Asking "pretty please stop using oil we will paint things" to a capitalist government is ridiculous. The only way to end emissions is being us the ones who control the industry.

So, from my point of view was a useless, possibly counter productive, action.

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