I think that by pardoning him, that absolutely would move the country forward, instead of dividing it further.
Why are Republicans so soft on crime?
Why are Republicans supposedly running against Trump so soft on Trump?
I think they're all scared of the crazies in his base. I mean, they tried to hang his own VP - so you can't exactly expect them to be leading a "lock him up" chant.
Why does “move the country forward” always mean “let Republicans get away with being criminals and shitheads?”
"Look, the only way we're going to heal as a nation is if we suffer no consequences and you continually let us get away with crimes."
"How are we going to heal as a nation, if we punish the South for rebelling?"
It’s funny how many confederates were caught during the Civil War - who then got to go home consequence-free almost immediately after promising to not fight for the south anymore.
Because that's what it's always meant for the last roughly 100 years. In the 1930s robber, barons and Republicans were caught out when their plot to overthrow FDR and stop the New deal was discovered. Guess what repercussions they suffered being found out as traitors. FDR cut a deal with the fascists in return for passing the New deal. Largely wiping the details of the incident from recorded history. Leaving just a whitewashed footnote. And one of the implicated businessmen punished particularly hard by nothing happening. Went on to become a senator and eventual father and grandfather of two different United States presidents.
Please note Prescott Bush was a major part of that plan, which ended up getting slow rolled in with his idiot son and grandson, Bush 1 and W.
Because they’re criminals.
They only want to be hard on crime when it’s brown people committing crime.
This lady is always finding ways to make me shake my head. She appears to be the same bullshit wrapped up in the "old" GOP shell.
My boss is a huge Trump supporter and was just saying to a customer that someone "delivered shit" to Nancy Pelosi's house and smeared it on her front door.
These fucking people don't want to be Americans anymore. It's time we oblige them. Do you know how fast the South would be a third world country (half of it already is, see: Tennessee) without money coming in from the federal government and the "Marxist" States they love to hate on?
Southern states keep begging for it though. And I, for one, say let them have it. Then flatly refuse to let them rejoin.
There's gonna be a lot of innocent people that can't afford to leave getting caught up in that scheme. I don't think we should collectively punish a massive population because of a vocal few.
Innocent person here. Not only would it be guaranteed to harm us, but IMO completely "other"ing even one entire state would be disastrous.
I'm no geopolitical expert, but I've heard the argument (and I tend to agree) that isolating an entire group of people and treating them all equally badly is a very effective way to allow terrorism to spread. Think about the decades-long "war on terror" and what little it actually accomplished.
Consider how many gun-toting military fetishists there are in, say, Texas. Then remember that "Y'all Qaeda" isn't just a meme. These people are already mouth-foaming rabid when their conversation space is diluted with rational thought from ~~more~~ sensible people. Imagine sealing their echo chamber for them.
Obviously I don't know what the best solution is, because compassion doesn't work (except maybe on a one-to-one level, but who wants to talk to millions of nutjobs?), and antagonism will only bring us further down as a nation.
I'm not saying to treat anyone bad. I'm saying give them exactly what they're begging for every day. Let them do it on their own. But once they get it, they've got it. Now they can figure it out on their own.
They want to talk shit, let 'em walk the walk.
Oh definitely, I wasn't trying to imply that. Just wanted to put in my two cents. As a Texan I want nothing more than to watch Abbott and ~~Costello~~ Cruz (and Paxton, among countless others) get their comeuppance, but that will inevitably hurt innocent people, whether through side effects or spiteful retaliation.
I'd probably be cheering on whatever pain the GOP feels, before realizing I should be biting my nails and planning my exit strategy lol.
It would be great if there was some federal assistance, as Dkarma mentioned. Helping good people while accelerating the brain drain 😄
imagine sealing their echo chamber for them
Who cares? That's half of why they want to secede anyway. They only care about violence and will only respond to violence.
At least then all the extra nutty nut jobs can migrate down before the cutoff (thered HAVE to be a transition period) and they won't be our problem anymore.
Or they can choose to be and finally get WRECKED
I propose a federal grant to get out whoever wants to leave free of charge.
It's just a stupid idea, and I can only assume you all are talking nonsense for shits and giggles. If you're remotely serious, you're insane.
There’s no way out that doesn’t involve ripping off bandages.
Transgender person in the south here. I already can’t legally work in the career I have a degree for. An nb kid just got fucking murdered this week for being queer at school.
Unless there’s some kind of refugee program, people like me would just die. Texas is subpoenaing hospitals in Washington to try to make lists of trans people. Letting the South secede would be a fairly quick blood orgy.
Every once in a while she reminds me that there are no good republicans. I keep convincing myself that she’s but so bad, then she does something like this.
Same - There are so many times that I think, okay, maybe there is a hope for a moderate branch of the GOP. Here is someone who expresses nuance and common sense on a regular basis. But at a core level, once she comes down to any actual statement of policy, she ends up in exactly the same place as all the whackos. So does it really matter how reasonably and nuanced the road was to get to the terrible conclusion?
With just a handful of exceptions, republicans are worthless traitor filth.
Edit: Nixon should have died in jail. Maybe that could have prevented this second travesty. Ford was abominable.
Ford made one of the worst decisions of any president ever.
Shocking the only president that wasn't elected* made this decision.
*Besides Bush (Handed presidency by supreme Court) and kinda Trump (lost popular vote)
We've had 3 assassinated presidents so at least 3 vice presidents became president but weren't voted into the office.
So technically you're incorrect and totally missed my point. Nixon's VP when he was elected was Spiro Agnew, who was voted into office with Nixon. He got in trouble for corruption in Baltimore and stepped down. Ford was his replacement... Nobody even had a choice with Ford...For example I did not vote for McCain because Pailn was a terrible alternative... When you vote for president you're voting for both knowing what you get.
So once again Law and Order Republicans showing that they are all more than okay with crime when it's withing the party.
Republicans are ridiculous. And dangerous.
Aid and comfort.
$he believe$ in him.
I didn't think you could pardon for crimes convicted at the state level.
You can't. But she would definitely pardon federal crimes to appease his supporters.
Is she running for vice president now? She seemed to be a pretty hardline anti Trump candidate before.
I think it's very smart on her part: it ensured the Republican party will choose her as she is seen as the more moderate and therefore steal more votes from indecisive voters, and at the same time ensure that Trump does not act like a little bitch is he lose the primary and endorse her, therefore rallying the hard right to her side as well
But Trump will win the primary. In the latest election, Haley came in behind “none of the above”
Then he should definitely drop out of the presidential race and endorse her, because Biden will never pardon him.
Good idea. Then you can just not do it and laugh and go out for ice-cream and strippers after he has an aneurysm and drops dead in front of you.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley said late Sunday that, if elected to the White House, she would pardon former President Trump if he’s convicted of a federal crime.
Asked the question directly by an audience member at a Fox News town hall in South Carolina, where she once served as governor, Haley said a pardon would be in the country’s “best interest” so Americans can work to “leave the negativity behind” without being further divided.
“If you’re talking about pardoning Trump, it’s not a matter of innocence or guilt at that point, because that means he would have already been found guilty,” Haley said at the town hall, hosted by John Roberts.
Trump currently faces four criminal indictments, including two on the federal level brought by special counsel Jack Smith — one related to his alleged efforts to stay in power after losing the 2020 election and another for allegedly willfully retaining national security information and obstructing efforts by the federal government to retrieve the document.
Haley’s comments come one week before the South Carolina GOP primary, slated to be held Saturday.
So, you know, what I’ll say is this is about moving the country forward, and the last thing we want to see is an 80-year-old former president sitting in jail,” she said on Fox News when asked if she would pledge to pardon Trump preemptively or only if he was found guilty.
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the last thing we want to see is an 80-year-old former president sitting in jail
I don't know, this actually might be the first thing I want to see.
Yeah, that's actually an item on my bucket list.
Actual justice for once is what would help us all to move on. Anything short actively makes the problem worse.
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