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[-] TimeTravel_0@hexbear.net 89 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Companies A - F, the six largest companies, form a coalition because they realize if they take out the competition, they will be able to corner the market and generate more revenue for themselves. first they use their capital reserves to undercut the competition, selling at a loss to drive most of the others to bankruptcy in a battle of attrition. once the competition is sufficiently degraded any stragglers can be taken out with military force if necessary.

Companies A, B and C the three largest companies, form a coalition because they realize if they take out the competition, they will be able to corner the market and generate more revenue for themselves. first they use their capital reserves to undercut the competition, selling at a loss to drive most of the others to bankruptcy in a battle of attrition. once the competition is sufficiently degraded any stragglers can be taken out with military force if necessary.

Companies A and B the two largest companies, form a coalition because they realize if they take out the company C, they will be able to corner the market and generate more revenue for themselves. first they use their capital reserves to undercut the company C, selling at a loss to drain company C's capital in a battle of attrition. once company C is sufficiently degraded they can be taken out with military force if necessary.

Company A, the largest of two companies, realizes if they take out company B, they will be able to corner the market and generate more revenue for themselves. first they use their capital reserves to undercut the company B, selling at a loss to drain company B's capital in a battle of attrition. once company B is sufficiently degraded they can be taken out with military force if necessary.

Company A is now the de facto government

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 42 points 8 months ago

On step 2, ABC dosen't need to fight themselves, they'll just merge.

[-] TimeTravel_0@hexbear.net 34 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

yeah, and in that scenario the fighting becomes internalized, with different executives and their cliques vying for power within the company

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[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 79 points 8 months ago

Love to casually drop the phrase, "thousands of other security companies" in my explanation of why there won't be warlords.

Also, what's stopping them from doing this now? The state is too powerful? One organization seized enough power by force that they can now stomp out any competition that challenges their authority? How about that.

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 42 points 8 months ago

Also, what's stopping them from doing this now? The state is too powerful? One organization seized enough power by force that they can now stomp out any competition that challenges their authority?

Yes, but that organization is actually BREAKING THE RULES which were established by our sanctified Founding Fathers. Normally, everyone obeys the rules, so Anarcho-Capitalism can work. Its just that now we're being occupied by an ontologically evil conspiracy of quasi-human master manipulators who have tricked us into the Woke Ideology of Far-Left Socialism. And only by rising up, overthrowing our lizardfolk overlords, and reestablishing the natural, just, and equitable rule by Old White People can we recreate those initial primitive conditions of utopian self-governance through free association.

[-] Zuzak@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

Fortunately, unlike the rest of those sheep, you and I have overcome the state's vile brainwashing through pure reason and independently arrived at the conclusion that the people who are often depicted as godlike in government buildings are based, actually.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 70 points 8 months ago

They're literally describing how WWI happened lol

[-] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 48 points 8 months ago

wojak-nooo but we signed a contract!!

[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 39 points 8 months ago

Just two grand alliances spanning the entire Colonial Era world in overlapping multiple defense treaties.

One rogue actor in a small Mediterranean state pops a visiting dignitary. The state marks this as an act of war and threatens to invade the tiny Mediterranean country. This triggers a domino of allegiances, as all the regional neighbors are drawn in.

But it gets more complicated, because the war can't play out in Serbia. A war in Serbia means a war with Russia, which means Germans need to mass-mobilize to counter the less-developed-but-far-larger Russian army. And they can't do that if they've got a war on their Western front with Russian ally France. So... QUICK INVADE PARIS! GO GO GO!

The international equivalent of a Mexican Standoff with hair triggers, but also machine guns and mustard gas.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Serb shots Austrian aristocrat, so naturally Japan takes over islands in Oceania, that's elementary!

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[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 65 points 8 months ago

These are the guys telling you that communism only works on paper.

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[-] axont@hexbear.net 56 points 8 months ago

Someone in one of the other libertarian threads said like "70% of people in libertarian societies work as private security, investigators, lawyers, and bureaucrats" and I've been thinking about that a lot. It's like how the American founders assumed everyone would be a lawyer with a slave plantation.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

"70% of people in libertarian societies work as private security, investigators, lawyers, and bureaucrats"

I don't know how much truth there is to that. But it feels right. Also - my belief is that the most vociferous, annoying and possibly toxic libertarians are nearly all men.

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[-] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 53 points 8 months ago

risk of warfare, which is financially untenable

doubt Winning a war can be very lucrative, actually

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

There's also the "for who?" question. Tons of people make money off wars no matter who the winner is; an idea so glaringly obvious that it made it into one of the new Star Wars movies.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

same people who claim this say capitalism is good because it rewards risktaking & innovation. we take business risks and always try to maximalize profits, but a hostile takeover with guns is just too much

utter clown ideology ancrap

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[-] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 45 points 8 months ago

I'm in love with all the ancap dunking these last few days. I forgot about most of this shit since my lolbertarian phase. Absolute toddler levels of comprehending the world

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

Already wrong from the first sentence, lol.

One company isn't afraid of larger firms. The largest one. They'll expand their monopoly position and dominate unless the others start merging. Then you get just a handful and they fight each other.

It's called a gang and it's how this shit goes down when you leave capitalism in place and then leave violence as the means of resolving disputes.

[-] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

There can't be any warlords, see, because all the warlords will stop it.

[-] luddybuddy@hexbear.net 43 points 8 months ago

So it’s “rules based international order” except between armed corporations instead of armed countries. I can’t see how that would ever lead to problems /s

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Brb gonna tell the cartels they can't exist

[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is a bunch of wild assumptions, the system breaks entirely as soon as any one of them fails.

This is basically describing how feudalism would work if the King didn't lay down rules on lesser rulers and said "You can just all defend each other out of mutual interest :) ". One lord would slaughter their way to be the new king, then lay down some rules.

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago

feudalism would work if the King didn't lay down rules

they somehow designed a worse Holy Roman Empire, it's amazing

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago

Motherfucker has literally never seen, hear, or contemplated a single cyberpunk story. MGS4 was literally about this.

[-] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

ARBITRATION BY WHOM YOU ABSOLUTE FUCKING DWEEBS

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 8 months ago

Amazing Arbitration of course.

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[-] motherofmonsters@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

Libertarian: you see all you need is a mutually agreed upon organizing structure between independent parties

Me, an idiot: like a government?

[-] Dolores@hexbear.net 36 points 8 months ago

why would Charles insist upon his claims to Naples? if he does that he'll be against thousands of italian city states!!!

[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 34 points 8 months ago

other than all the obvious shit, i love when ancaps think everyone behaves rationally. the people controlling these companies are humans and humans aren't always perfectly rational.

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago

perfectly rational

What I love about that mindset is that nobody is actually that way. We are all irrational to a certain degree.

When I was an earnest liberal - I once had a protracted discussion with a redditor in r/libertarianism. At the time I assumed everybody in that sub was a libertarian but of course that wasn't true. We were talking past either other but doing so in good faith. He (I assume he was a guy) must have had the same thought as me - Why can't he understand my point of view?

I finally said to him something like - imagine you are a black woman in Alabama. It's 1930 so Jim Crow is in full effect. You're pregnant and actually giving birth. Your coworkers brought you to the white hospital because nobody had a car and the black hospital is 10 miles away. But the white hospital doesn't even let any of you through the door. So you give birth next to a building on the grounds of the hospital. I went on for a while more but you get the idea.

I don't think he was a racist but I do think he was insane. He kept telling me stuff like "market forces" would force the hospital to change. I reminded him that 1930 was an arbitrary year during Jim Crow and for another ~30 years the same thing would have happened. The hospital continues to be racist and people continue to suffer and die because of it. "Market forces" never will do anything in a racist society. Jim Crow was finally forced to begin to end due to the federal law of the Civil Rights Act. Of course - he made excuses how thing would have changed "eventually". I was already tired out so I decided to just drop a discussion of the benefits of the federal government.

That conversation happened a long time ago. I think about 10 years ago. I wonder what happened to that guy. I changed for the better. Did he change? And if so - for the better or for the worse? Trump's stranglehold on the GOP has made 10,000,000s of people proud to be awful and repulsive. Did he jump on the Trump train?

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[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

Why there are no Warlords in the Roman Republic:

If one of the generals crosses the rubicon, the senate parliamentarian declares it to be illegal and all other generals strike the offender down.

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[-] AcidMarxist@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

how is this any different from a Euro explaining how the UN would stop a war between countries, right before the fascist invasion of Ethiopia?

[-] mustGo@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

Getting my brains blown out in the McTrenches, because down the line some guy said his burger didn't have pickles on it.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 32 points 8 months ago

Unions for companies, not people

[-] D61@hexbear.net 31 points 8 months ago

Man... its a shame that World War 1 never happened... angel-biblical

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[-] kleeon@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago
[-] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago

The utopia:

every company is in a mexican standoff with every other company

[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

This doesn't even seem that utopian. They openly describe a hell hole but apparently they think it'd be great!

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[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

if they all have to be worried about the other larger firms, uhh, whats the largest one doing and why does it exist?

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[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 27 points 8 months ago

That hilarious. Do they really believe this kind of thing?

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

YoungCapitalists (@TheYcOrg)

The YoungCapitalists organisation consists of members devoted to promoting economic liberalism.

The "organisation" must be one guy. I assume he actually believes his nonsense. If it's a bit - it's a clever one because he certainly seems real.

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[-] yewler@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 8 months ago

So what happens when competition happens and the omnipotent and holy god, the invisible hand of the free market, starts removing the less competitive firms and leaves a small oligopoly or monopoly? Kinda breaks down at even the slightest tug lol

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[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Figures that any ancap idea would be just feudalism (compare to Poland or France during the time of feudal shattering), also how great that did worked.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Ooh! The new one is out!

"Sorry Free Individual #55443546 legal name: JOHN SMITH, personal name: John Smith, but UniteCo™ Security Solutions requires you to provide a free and equal exchange of your children to our Freedom Mines™ in order to validate your UniteCo™ Security Solutions "Continued Living™" Plan. Failure to agree to the fair and balanced conditions of our contractual agreement will result in immediate termination of the plan by our Public Relations officers."

"UniteCo™ Security Solutions would also like to remind you that the contract will also be invalidated if you take up a contract with any other security company or leave UniteCo™ Security Solutions freely administered territory. Thank you for using UniteCo™ Security Solutions and enjoy a fantastic Warlord Free™ existence!"

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 8 months ago

rofl holy crap, people actually think this is even remotely workable?

the brainworms feast so well

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[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

Who puts a wall of black text on a bright yellow background? I'm not reading that

[-] Washburn@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

Dear Company B,

We recognize the unfortunate circumstances you find yourselves in, and understand your concern. After careful review of your request to invoke article 69 of the non-aggression contract, we have established a committee to review the fluid and rapidly evolving situation to ensure that the appropriate conditions are met to invoke such a serious response to the actions of Company A, in full compliance with the articles of the contract. Currently, this committee is set to meet at a date so far in the future that your assets will already be fully occupied and operated by Company A, as well as ourselves under the auspices of preventing occupation by Company A. We are unable to provide any further information at this time, as it is Company policy to not comment on ongoing arbitration.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago

An interesting question I've never seen answered is: how do ancaps propose to bring about their vision of society? It would require the overthrowing of the government and the destruction of all current corporations, but I have never once seen them call for revolution.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 8 months ago

Like all liberal philosophies, they think that if they can just convince enough people to support it, society will just magically transform into it, they have no concept of existing power structures or the idea that those who hold power will fight to keep it, they just think that if people support an idea enough, it becomes reality. Idealism in its purest form.

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