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submitted 5 months ago by lseif@sopuli.xyz to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

For those who use CDs for music, which writable CD type do you use, and why?

Main differences:

  • CD-R can only be written once
  • CD-RW is more expensive
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[-] Lemonparty@lemm.ee 174 points 4 months ago

Did I hit my head and wake up in 2002?

[-] lseif@sopuli.xyz 50 points 4 months ago

im sorry i just like cds 🥺

[-] sxan@midwest.social 13 points 4 months ago

I'm sincerely curious: why?

Hipsters claim vinyl sounds better than digital, despite a complete lack of evidence, but at least there's a measurable difference between analog and digital, if only in the additional dirty noise produced by the hardware. With CDs, though... digital is digital. There's literally no difference between a wav and a CD; in fact, you can get more bits in a flac recording if it's recorded right, which would only be degraded by recording to a CD.

So, is it the form factor? Some tactile benefit? Or you like the mandatory ritual of switching out CDs every 60 minutes? Why do you like CDs... because it isn't for the sound.

[-] lseif@sopuli.xyz 18 points 4 months ago

driving. my car has a sort-old cd player, no smart-stuff. i dont like to connect my phone everytime i get in the car. cds are just convenient for my case :-)

[-] BurningRiver@beehaw.org 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I drive a 20 year old Toyota, and swapped out the double din for a carplay compatible unit for $299, plus the cost of a custom wiring harness. You get the best of technology, without the worst of car manufacturers poaching your data. I still have my book of CDs that I compiled over 25 years or so, but without the headache of having to load disks while I’m driving. The phone connects automatically when I turn the car on. I’ve only had to connect to it once, when I first installed the new head unit.

FWIW, the factory stereo I replaced had a cassette / 6 disk cd deck in it. I just don’t like swapping disks when I’m driving 75 mph on the freeway.

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[-] NickwithaC@lemmy.world 74 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In 2008? CD-R, they're cheap and you aren't going to change the songs on the disc rather than just burn a new disc entirely.

In 2024? micro SDXC card in my phone.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago

Do any phones even have that anymore?

[-] Lemonparty@lemm.ee 51 points 4 months ago

Pretty sure it's easier to find a phone with a mini SD slot than a phone with a CD player.

[-] YoorWeb@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

But it's easier to find a phone with a CD player than a phone with cassette player.

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[-] Gamoc@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

I don't think I've ever owned a smartphone without one.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

CD-R has a much wider range of compatibility than CD-RW, so if you're looking to play music you'll probably want to go with CD-R.
And as for data, I wouldn't use a CD at all. Optical Media is absolute shit for data preservation and those early claims of lasting thousands of years are highly exaggerated, the backing on the CDs (and DVDs) lasts for a few decades at most.
If you insist on optical data backups you'll want archival grade discs that are made of glass instead of plastic and don't use glue on foil for the backing but even those are projected to last hundreds of years at most, and they're not cheap.

[-] Towerofpain11@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Wow I did not know this. I was going to back up some photos onto CD-R as an extra safeguard. I have it backed up on a hard drive and cloud currently but wanted another back up. Will look into something else now.

[-] KickMeElmo@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 months ago

M-Discs will do the trick for a couple centuries, which should exceed the span in which the data needs to be stored. Requires a burner that can handle the discs though.

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[-] sag@lemy.lol 23 points 4 months ago

I hate being GenZ I don't even know yet there's more than one type of CD

[-] spongebue@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

CD: the kind you buy from a store with content already on it. Mass-produced with methods and equipment not available in the consumer electronics market, because it was never really necessary. Also includes CD-ROM (Read Only Memory) for data/files read by a computer instead of music alone

CD-R (Recordable): can be written ("burned") once and only once. As mentioned in another comment, it may deteriorate over time because of how the disc gets written, but by the time that happens you'll probably forget you had that disc

CD-RW (ReWriteable): Can be written like a CD-R, but you can also erase it and write on it again. More expensive, and I believe some readers had trouble with it, but in a world where data storage was expensive and small this was still a useful thing to have

DVDs had a similar thing, except there were variants where the - was a +, eg DVD+R and DVD+RW. I can't remember the difference there, but it was pretty trivial. There was also a relatively obscure DVD-RAM that had random access memory. That was pretty cool as well, kind of an alternative to DVR that wasn't a VHS tape. No need to lose everything you had if you wanted to add more to it

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 months ago

The difference between DVD-R and DVD+R is how tracking/timing metadata is encoded on the disc. As manufactured, the disc isn't entirely "blank," it's got tracks for the laser to follow already on it, which include timing marks to help the drive track and index the data. -R and +R discs use different techniques for doing this, almost entirely because Sony just can't handle anything that isn't their own in-house proprietary shit.

This didn't effect playback. Once the disc was burned, that metadata was still there but an ordinary DVD-ROM drive (or DVD movie player) wouldn't even look for it, for playback, it looks like any other disc. It was only an issue for recording, and as a user you had to know which your DVD burner was capable of using so you could buy the correct discs. Eventually DVD burners were built to handle both, and today unless you have some vintage equipment it's a non-issue.

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[-] squeakycat@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 months ago

Don't hate it! You were just born in a different time. Your time will come where you have to explain to the young ones about how "smart phones" worked since they'll just have their implants as interfaces. And also jetpacks.

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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

I'm a mid-to-older millennial. My elders would say shit like "What? You don't know how to use a gramophone? You young whippersnappers are completely worthless." And I find that behavior absolutely abhorrent.

If you were here in person, I'd offer to spend some time burning some CDs. I've still got a computer with some pretty decent optical drives laying around. I can probably even scare up some blank discs. We'd find some music, burn it to a disc and then try it out on my old boom box.

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[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

CD-R is written in an organic-dye, which deteriorates ( I've read the AZO chemistry is more enduring )

CD-RW is written in the crystallization of a metal layer.

CD-RW is permanent record, unless you heat them, or blank them, or overwrite/rewrite them: chemical-deterioration isn't a problem.

I learned this with backups, many many years ago.

I've no idea if DVD-RW discs also are recorded in a eutectic metal layer, but they've multiple record-layers ( 2? ), and I'm don't know how you can make a eutectic-metal layer that is transparent-enough to get through/past it to write the next layer,

so I've no idea how permanent DVD-RW's are.

I've lost data on the -R technology.

I've never lost data on the CD-RW technology.

[-] Thisfox@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago

I have, incidentally. Not on purpose: My father rearranged a room whilst I was away, putting the entire disc collection on the north-west-facing wall of the house. Bookcase heated and cooked the lot in the afternoon summer sun that January. He was upset when I explained why nothing worked any more.

[-] Wage_slave@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 months ago

Won't lie, for a short period I had a Sony mini disk set up and I don't think I can ever appreciate other modern physical mediums of music as much.

And I can't explain why other than personal biast reasons, either.

[-] StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 5 months ago

I can. Subjectively, MD wasn’t as delicate as CD-R was. None of my old CD-Rs are readable anymore.

[-] Sinful@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The mini-disk could/should have been king!

[-] invertedspear@lemm.ee 21 points 5 months ago

In the thick of the cd era I tried to use RW and there wasn’t much rewritable about them. Any attempt to change the data, even to just add a new track, turned the disk into a coaster. Better to stick to CD-R and just burn a whole new disk each update.

[-] kava@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago

CD-RW is superior. It's more expensive but you could use it as many times as you need. So if you were for example a 13 year old who loved to distro hop Linux distributions.. it's very useful to be able to rewrite whatever you were doing.

The price difference is quickly made up for with the re-usability factor.

Although I don't understand why anyone would burn a CD anymore. You can buy flash drives with a ton of storage for really cheap these days. You have all sorts of cloud options. You can even rent your own VPS for less than $5 a month.

[-] SteakRipums@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Although they are supposed to be forever rewritable I could only ever get quality brand RWs to do 3 to 5 rewrites before burns would fail verification. Source: lots of data migration between servers where USB sticks and networking was restricted.

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[-] UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca 20 points 4 months ago

How old is this post?

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)
[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

For sure.

My mini disc cost as much as the first iPod when it came out. It was either 3 or 5 of the discs equaled it's storage and I think it even took rechargeable AA batteries. Or at least had an attachment that would work with them.

And it has the remote in the cord that gave song title and playlist info.

It was better in everyway. But the promise of "new" and the marketing made everyone go iPod. I never met a single other person at the time that had a mini disc.

But being able to just swap a disc with someone at school and then upload it back to your computer at home would have been huge at the time.

Literal peer to peer file sharing without the internet. And it might have been normalized for an entire generation if Steve Jobs wasn't so good at marketing.

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[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Okay, so I somehow missed the whole minidisc era. I imagine probably because it was shortlived, or just impractical for me at the time. However I find them incredibly fascinating, especially portable minidisc players. I've low key been on the lookout for one while thrifting, so I have an excuse to dive in.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago

they were super-cool, and, yeah, it was very short-lived. i had a net-MD player, a small, portable MD player that ran on a single AA battery and lasted ages. it could also record on-device and also played mp3s. i loved that fucking thing!

MDs were better than CD-RWs because they were 1/2 the size and came in a case while being almost skip-proof.

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[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 16 points 5 months ago

Burning CDs back in the day was a sort of art. You had to choose a write speed slow enough that your single-CPU computer could keep the buffer fed, but fast enough that you could get through the whole thing without dying of boredom or needing to use the bathroom, because walking across the room was enough to make the head skip and corrupt the data.

A failed burn with a CD-R turned a disc into a coaster. A CD-RW gave you several chances to get a good burn.

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[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

I always preferred R, the RW disks seemed less reliable.

[-] Archer@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

R if you want rock solid reliability and compatibility, RW if the device supports it

[-] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago

I used CD-RW and re-wrote them a bit 25 years ago when the price of a CD-R was high, and a CD-RW cost like 2-3x of a CD-R, when the prices dropped it stopped making sense.

Last time I burned a CD/DVD was 10-15 years ago.

[-] belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org 11 points 4 months ago

I haven't used a cd in 15 years lol

[-] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago

Whats up with the 2000s tech being so hot on Lemmy right now?

[-] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 10 points 4 months ago

I like CD-R, not for regular use but it occured to me that it's one of the only consumer accessable media formats that are actually write once. It's kind of neat to make a custom disk that is forever unchanged, pop it on years later and go through what was your sound X years back without having to worry about whatever service having pulled licences or modified lists.

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[-] Donebrach@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

just curious why anyone would bother using a CD—its a digital medium so playing a CD vs just playing a .wav file off your computer or phone is literally the exact same audio quality (unless the cd is damaged and you get skipping which is not optimal…). You can connect speakers to a computer. it is literally the exact same thing. I understand people liking ANALOG media (vinyl or [for some unknown reason] tape cassette) but what is the point of using an out dated, flimsy and easily destructible DIGITAL storage?

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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago

Eh, overall R for the same reason most peeps have said, it was pretty much guaranteed compatibility.

But truth is, RW worked in anything I ever tried it in, and it was nice for having a couple of car discs full of mp3s that I could shift around some. Since I have a small case of those in the car that still work, I ain't mad at RW at all. It's been eight years for some of those, and over a decade for two.

I should probably order some and make a few new ones lol.

[-] EmpiricalFlock@beehaw.org 9 points 5 months ago

I have gotten whole cases of CD-R's at yard sales and thrift stores. I do not own a single CD-RW. Even when I purchase them, the CD-R's are so cheap that if I mess up I can just toss the error and still come out ahead. If I needed to overwrite it frequently I would probably just use a different media if available (like a USB drive).

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[-] Belgdore@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

CD-R, rewriting has a higher chance to corrupt. And if you like your music you won’t need to overwrite it

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[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago

CD-RW, of course. But only if the player supports it. I can update the music, that's why.

[-] Poggervania@kbin.social 9 points 5 months ago

CD-R since it’s better for compatibility and I actually had issues with RW in the past where I could only burn a CD once and not be able to rewrite on it. I was burning them as audio CDs for car use at the time.

Nowadays? Rip ‘em and slap them onto an external drive (maybe even onto the cloud if you wanna go that far), then toss out or donate the CD so you don’t have to lug that shit around. I’d rather buy the vinyl if it’s an album I really like.

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[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

Back when I actually used CDs for music, I had a CD MP3 player made by Rio. I also had a copy of Roxio that could basically use a CD-RW almost like a thumb drive, you didn't have to worry about writing sessions or whatever, you could just add and remove files, so that's how I managed my MP3 player. I think I only used that one CD-RW.

For regular redbook audio discs I would just use CD-Rs.

[-] EeeDawg101@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

CD-RW isn’t compatible on many basic CD players like CD-Rs are so unless you have a player that you know supports RW, it’s usually best to go with R.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 6 points 4 months ago

I'll be honest. When I upgraded my PC I finally moved to one without any bays. So my rewriter that I've not used for probably 10+ years came out of my setup.

Funny story, I did some work on my old setup some 5 years or so ago. I must have unplugged the rewriter to get at some cabling and never re-connected it. I never noticed in those 5 years, until I was taking the parts out I was moving to my new system and saw it was just not connected.

Now, when I DID make CDs around 10+ years ago or more, I used CD-Rs.

[-] Sensitivezombie@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago

I had to do a double take to see how old is this post.

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